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TheBird on 05 April 2018

I mean he is true, those beta males at gamespot are offended by the fact that the game is neutral in it's politics. Just like GTA, it makes fun out of American culture, and they are mad that it doesn't make conservatives look like the only demons in the world.
Good on Ubisoft for not ruining this game with more anti-trump crap we are forced to see everywhere else, liberals just need to stop making everything political, and let us kill some cultists!.



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contestgamer on 05 April 2018
VGPolyglot said:
@contestgamer is he actually serious? The video is a joke.

Well the video is pretty funny, I almost spat at some parts of it from laughter, but as to whether he is serious, why not? To me he is treading towards being the right wing cry-baby version of left wing cry-babies, but I give him a pass because he's responding to even more sensitive "writers" who have been bashing the game for not being anti right wing enough. However if someone said this guy is a snowflake I would probably agree.



KrspaceT on 05 April 2018
contestgamer said:
KrspaceT said:

Simply because I am not 100% blind to the trope Dumbass/Jerkass/Villain/Hypocrite has a point, and I do occasionally want to see if any such point is present in the argument. 

My view would give him money. I simply choose to not personally visit his establishment, and to determine if more than the presentation upfront was disagreeable to me I asked for other opinions. Is it a bad thing to, if one is driving around looking for a salvage yard, to skip over one that has a 'Kneel Before God, stand before the NFL' sign hanging hugely over the entryway and go to one that doesn't have it, or even says 'Kneel before NFL, at least you will still do your job unlike that clerk' if I want to specifically frequent a business with my viewpoints and not go to one that goes against it?

(I actually saw that sort of thing on MS-82. I am not making it up, some salvage yard had that sign up). 

 

Ultimately you're going to a salvage yard to make a purchase for a product or service as a customer. I don't understand why the views of the owner matter as far as the ultimate service you're going to receive? For me it seems like you're trying to silence people you disagree with by preventing them of making a living. The assumption is that if enough people that agree with you stop frequenting the establishment then there will be enough social pressure to force said establishment and person to change their views or not express them. The goal is then to shut down free speech over time by literally starving other viewpoints of cash. That's why personally I believe all purchasing decisions should be based exclusively on the value proposition of said product, because anything else is weaponizing commerce to make certain view points, beliefs and lifestyles socially unacceptable.

How a business looks or presents itself is as much a part of the decision to partake in it as the product. Let's say there are two pizza places of equal pizza quality, but the closer one happened to play Country Music loudly while the other one did not. 

it is as valid a choice to go farther to avoid the music as it is to go to the closer one despite country music. 

Money talks, and it is also endorsement. To spend money at that salvage yard that quite visibly displays a viewpoint like that is to fund, if not support, that viewpoint. I am simply speaking with my money, same as we as gamers would speak with our money on controversial or good games. 



The Democratic Nintendo fan....is that a paradox? I'm fond of one of the more conservative companies in the industry, but I vote Liberally and view myself that way 90% of the time?

Aeolus451 on 05 April 2018

In a nutshell, he was saying that sjws expected the dev to bash right leaning people or condemn them but the dev did which angered some sjws and surprised others.



contestgamer on 05 April 2018
KrspaceT said:
contestgamer said:

 

Ultimately you're going to a salvage yard to make a purchase for a product or service as a customer. I don't understand why the views of the owner matter as far as the ultimate service you're going to receive? For me it seems like you're trying to silence people you disagree with by preventing them of making a living. The assumption is that if enough people that agree with you stop frequenting the establishment then there will be enough social pressure to force said establishment and person to change their views or not express them. The goal is then to shut down free speech over time by literally starving other viewpoints of cash. That's why personally I believe all purchasing decisions should be based exclusively on the value proposition of said product, because anything else is weaponizing commerce to make certain view points, beliefs and lifestyles socially unacceptable.

How a business looks or presents itself is as much a part of the decision to partake in it as the product. Let's say there are two pizza places of equal pizza quality, but the closer one happened to play Country Music loudly while the other one did not. 

it is as valid a choice to go farther to avoid the music as it is to go to the closer one despite country music. 

Money talks, and it is also endorsement. To spend money at that salvage yard that quite visibly displays a viewpoint like that is to fund, if not support, that viewpoint. I am simply speaking with my money, same as we as gamers would speak with our money on controversial or good games. 

Music is part of the product for a food establishment though. Let's say that there is no sign, but you know that the owner of STORE A has expressed homophobic views that you disagree with. However his product is identical to that of STORE B And 10% cheaper as well. Would you buy from store A? To me this should boil down to a completely self interested commercial decision  and store A would be the logical choice despite me disagreeing with an opinion of ownership. If you choose store B then where do you draw the line on what disagreement you'll accept from anyone part of the corporate hierarchy? What if they're vegan and you're not? Or they have made a joke you thought was mildly distasteful? Or they once took a smiling picture at a confederate statue? To me this should just boil down  to product value assessment 



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KrspaceT on 05 April 2018
contestgamer said:
KrspaceT said:

How a business looks or presents itself is as much a part of the decision to partake in it as the product. Let's say there are two pizza places of equal pizza quality, but the closer one happened to play Country Music loudly while the other one did not. 

it is as valid a choice to go farther to avoid the music as it is to go to the closer one despite country music. 

Money talks, and it is also endorsement. To spend money at that salvage yard that quite visibly displays a viewpoint like that is to fund, if not support, that viewpoint. I am simply speaking with my money, same as we as gamers would speak with our money on controversial or good games. 

Music is part of the product for a food establishment though. Let's say that there is no sign, but you know that the owner of STORE A has expressed homophobic views that you disagree with. However his product is identical to that of STORE B And 10% cheaper as well. Would you buy from store A? To me this should boil down to a completely self interested commercial decision  and store A would be the logical choice despite me disagreeing with an opinion of ownership. If you choose store B then where do you draw the line on what disagreement you'll accept from anyone part of the corporate hierarchy? What if they're vegan and you're not? Or they have made a joke you thought was mildly distasteful? Or they once took a smiling picture at a confederate statue? To me this should just boil down  to product value assessment 

Sure, you can believe that who makes the product doesn't matter, but other people do believe the product is affected by who makes it and the belief of those who do. 

You can be some perfect paragon of logic, maybe you are a Vulcan. However most people are not and non-logical factors are important to them. 



The Democratic Nintendo fan....is that a paradox? I'm fond of one of the more conservative companies in the industry, but I vote Liberally and view myself that way 90% of the time?

contestgamer on 05 April 2018
KrspaceT said:
contestgamer said:

Music is part of the product for a food establishment though. Let's say that there is no sign, but you know that the owner of STORE A has expressed homophobic views that you disagree with. However his product is identical to that of STORE B And 10% cheaper as well. Would you buy from store A? To me this should boil down to a completely self interested commercial decision  and store A would be the logical choice despite me disagreeing with an opinion of ownership. If you choose store B then where do you draw the line on what disagreement you'll accept from anyone part of the corporate hierarchy? What if they're vegan and you're not? Or they have made a joke you thought was mildly distasteful? Or they once took a smiling picture at a confederate statue? To me this should just boil down  to product value assessment 

Sure, you can believe that who makes the product doesn't matter, but other people do believe the product is affected by who makes it and the belief of those who do. 

You can be some perfect paragon of logic, maybe you are a Vulcan. However most people are not and non-logical factors are important to them. 

But to me it seems that basing the decision on self interest alone is actually easier, not harder than weighing all these extraneous factors. So I dont quite understand what would make someone take the harder route when it actually might result in them acting against their own self interest in terms of paying more or getting less.



Locknuts on 05 April 2018

I watched it. A few assumptions on his end about the motivations of the Gamespot guys.

Overall I think the tone of the video maybe correct for the left wing gaming media as a whole, but the actual Gamespot review only talks about 'missed opportunities' in the narrative and it got a score of 9.

So probably more assumption on his part than anything else.



contestgamer on 05 April 2018
CaptainExplosion said:
contestgamer said:

Whew, lucky they didn't do progressives, might have been an AO rating then.

It's why I have no qualms with shooting virtual assholes, as legally we can't kill real Neo-Nazis for some stupid reason.

You're a progressive that wants to kill people. That's like a caricature. 



TallSilhouette on 05 April 2018

I'm pretty late to the discussion of FC5's critiques, but I'm reminded of this video from one of my favorite creators. Substitute Watch Dogs for FC5 (both by modern Ubisoft, coincidentally):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg_Lp5bO1U8

"Nothing is more frustrating than watching a game walk right up to the edge of doing something interesting and then change its mind."

Perhaps some critics wanted the game to echo their political views, or perhaps they just wanted the game to have some thematic substance and not turn a timely premise into a missed opportunity for exploration and reflection. Maybe that's expecting too much of a safe big budget project.

Last edited by TallSilhouette - on 05 April 2018