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Jaicee said:
VGPolyglot said:

I guess my logic though, with why I didn't vote, is that voting for Hillary Clinton, while the lesser of two evils, is still something that I couldn't bring myself to do, and in the grand scheme of things I'm just one person, so my vote itself didn't change the outcome of the election.

It could be argued that many leftists thinking impractically like that is precisely why Donald Trump is our president right now.

I'd say it's pretty practical, I'm just one person so my vote on its own is essentially meaningless.



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VGPolyglot said:

I'd say it's pretty practical, I'm just one person so my vote on its own is essentially meaningless.

I can see that you are bound and determined to maintain this position no matter what, so I will leave you to it. :P



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So we blame the US now for not participating in a war against Turkey?
Well, they have a crazy dictator as their leader, so they qualify as a reasonable suspect.

Do you want the US to go to war against erdogan?



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DirtyP2002 said:
So we blame the US now for not participating in a war against Turkey?
Well, they have a crazy dictator as their leader, so they qualify as a reasonable suspect.

Do you want the US to go to war against erdogan?

I highly doubt that they'd go to war, Turkey is a member of NATO.



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Jaicee said:
VGPolyglot said:

Well, essentially they were the only viable choices in the election, but not choosing either was the choice that I made. Hillary Clinton is a warmonger like Trump (despite his lies to the contrary), and I just couldn't justify voting for either of them.

Being as your profile describes you as Canadian, I'm not surprised that you decided to refrain from voting the in 2016 United States election. My guess is that you'll be sitting out the American midterm elections later this year 'in protest' as well? ;)

Sorry for poking fun. I guess sometimes I just don't understand the kind of simplistic, utopian lack of pragmatism described above, which is of a kind that I notice occasionally on the far left. In any event, the matter of Syria was hardly the only reason I voted the way I did anyway. But I'd rather this thread not devolve further into a rehashing of the 2016 election. One will hence notice that I placed my only comment thereon in parentheses back in the OP.

Well, Canada IS a fake country after all!

 

Anyway, in response to the original post.

The US pulling support from FSA is a GOOD thing. That's going to lead to peace.
A continued backing of the SDF is GOOD thing; even if it is only moral support (they don't need US weaponry, they're pretty well stocked by other Kurdish forces, Western, and regional allies). From what I have seen, these guys are also by far the most progressive forces in the fight; particularly considering they have both male and female leaders in their military and a democratic socialist economy.

* The FSA are non-extremist Sunni militants. Turkey and Saudi Arabia's boy in the fight. They 
* ISIS and Al Qaeda are Sunni extremist groups. Enemies of primarily Iran, Assad, and Hezbollah.
* Assad is the Shia. Friends with Iran and Hezbollah.
* SDF is secular (a mix of Christian, Shia, and Sunni); mostly enemies of Sunni, primarily the extremist groups, but have been fighting Turkish backed rebels, and seem to be on good terms with the Shia (Assad, Hezbollah, Iran).

My opinion, the SDF will end up being in a similar situation to Assad/Syria as the Hezbollah are with Lebanon - like a nation within a nation that co-exist on good terms.

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For americas own sake they need to pullout of everywhere. The trillions they waste on war could be better spent in America.. Hopefully trump knows this.



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