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I find this...

Funny. 10 16.39%
 
Absurd. 20 32.79%
 
Scary. 16 26.23%
 
Sexist. 7 11.48%
 
Indifferent/comments... 8 13.11%
 
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DarthMetalliCube said:
RolStoppable said:

I know what you mean. My Austrian Facebook group is fighting the good fight. We miss the days when it was applauded anytime a woman was refered to as 'Dorfmatratze', but nowadays that's deemed as a demeaning word. Back in the good old days, when a woman complained about sexism ("My boyfriend won't stop telling me to make him a sandwich. He believes that women should know their place. I need advice. What's a good comeback in such a situation?"), it was perfectly fine to answer that she better come back with a sandwich.

Lol hey, I didn't infer any of that, you did :P

Obviously sexism is a bad thing, but do we really need LAWS against it? Doesn't that seem a bit creepy big-brotherish to European folks?

I dunno, maybe it's just cause I was raised in America where free speech has always been more valued here (though sadly that's starting to erode in some aspects even here). Maybe it's just a cultural thing. Most of us respect women here (at least most that I know) and don't need laws enforced against us like animals, it's just a matter of basic human decency..

I also see the need to enforce laws like this as somewhat demeaning to women in its own round-about way. It's incredibly patronizing, implying women are weak that need men (in this case big brother) to ride to her rescue. One would think women are strong and independent enough to handle themselves over that scaary speech, just as men should be.

It's just a European thing. For some reason we appreciate the government actually doing something against bad things happening.



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DarthMetalliCube said:
GorillaQc said:

Nuclear weapons testing.
Of course i was exagerating. But i mean, when a country starts having laws this retarded. It's time the country needs a big change. This is so damn stupidly retarded i have no words to describe it. 

Seriously, I keep hearing stuff like this happening in Europe and I'm like "really guys? And we're criticizing Americans for electing a so called 'dictator' as president?" Not that I like Trump, but some of the things currently going on in Europe sound FAR more dictatorial than in the US. At least we've still got our freedom of speech (well sort of) :/

Every single western European country is more free than the US.

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Im fine with the penalty in itself(though 3700 seems a bit too much), Im just not fine with it being labeled as sexism.Does everything has to be tied to gender nowadays?That seems to me like misconduit and disregard to the law, which I guess can and should be used, if the situation demands it, to fine and put someone behind jail for a few days for them to learn their lesson.So why this sexism thing?I really dont get it.



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RolStoppable said:
DarthMetalliCube said:

Lol hey, I didn't infer any of that, you did :P

Obviously sexism is a bad thing, but do we really need LAWS against it? Doesn't that seem a bit creepy big-brotherish to European folks?

I dunno, maybe it's just cause I was raised in America where free speech has always been more valued here (though sadly that's starting to erode in some aspects even here). Maybe it's just a cultural thing. Most of us respect women here (at least most that I know) and don't need laws enforced against us like animals, it's just a matter of basic human decency..

I also see the need to enforce laws like this as somewhat demeaning to women in its own round-about way. It's incredibly patronizing, implying women are weak that need men (in this case big brother) to ride to her rescue. One would think women are strong and independent enough to handle themselves over that scaary speech, just as men should be.

Yes, we need laws. The reason why laws need to exist is because basic human decency isn't something that all people live by. Those who are prone to do stupid things must be kept in check.

This law isn't demeaning to women in the slightest. It's also not an obstacle for men, unless you want to turn around and argue against your own argument of basic human decency. Anyone with basic human decency has no risk to get charged and convicted because to this law.

Fair enough I guess. Just glad I don't live in Europe lol.. Like I said, I suppose it boils down to cuture. Americans HIGHLY value our freedom of speech (me probably even moreso than even most other Americans heh).

It's not that I feel this law or this one case is in and of itself dangerous. It's more what the law implies, and the slippery slope of where it could lead us as a civilized, logical, and free society.

For instance - after this, why not just lock people up for insults? Or being assholes (as I believe Kristof already mentioned here). Or what if people are eventually insulted by just looking a certain way of others, and could be fined for an "aggressive stare" lol. Will arguing or talking back one day come with a fine? See once you've opened this can of worms, there's no telling how much they can spread. (That's a phrase right? Screw it, I'm making it one lol).



 

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DarthMetalliCube said:
RolStoppable said:

Yes, we need laws. The reason why laws need to exist is because basic human decency isn't something that all people live by. Those who are prone to do stupid things must be kept in check.

This law isn't demeaning to women in the slightest. It's also not an obstacle for men, unless you want to turn around and argue against your own argument of basic human decency. Anyone with basic human decency has no risk to get charged and convicted because to this law.

Fair enough I guess. Just glad I don't live in Europe lol.. Like I said, I suppose it boils down to cuture. Americans HIGHLY value our freedom of speech (me probably even moreso than even most other Americans heh).

It's not that I feel this law or this one case is in and of itself dangerous. It's more what the law implies, and the slippery slope of where it could lead us as a civilized, logical, and free society.

For instance - after this, why not just lock people up for insults? Or being assholes (as I believe Kristof already mentioned here). Or what if people are eventually insulted by just looking a certain way of others, and could be fined for an "aggressive stare" lol. Will arguing or talking back one day come with a fine? See once you've opened this can of worms, there's no telling how much they can spread. (That's a phrase right? Screw it, I'm making it one lol).

Hate speech is not protected speech, even in the US.  

Hate speech is speech which attacks a person or group on the basis of attributes such as racereligionethnic originsexual orientationdisability, or gender.[1][2] In the law of some countries, hate speech is described as speech, gesture or conduct, writing, or display which is forbidden because it incites violence or prejudicial action against a protected group, or individual on the basis of their membership of the group, or because it disparages or intimidates a protected group, or individual on the basis of their membership of the group. The law may identify a protected group by certain characteristics.[3][4][5] In some countries, hate speech is not a legal term[6]and in some it is constitutionally protected.[7]



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DarthMetalliCube said:

Fair enough I guess. Just glad I don't live in Europe lol.. Like I said, I suppose it boils down to cuture. Americans HIGHLY value our freedom of speech (me probably even moreso than even most other Americans heh).

It's not that I feel this law or this one case is in and of itself dangerous. It's more what the law implies, and the slippery slope of where it could lead us as a civilized, logical, and free society.

For instance - after this, why not just lock people up for insults? Or being assholes (as I believe Kristof already mentioned here). Or what if people are eventually insulted by just looking a certain way of others, and could be fined for an "aggressive stare" lol. Will arguing or talking back one day come with a fine? See once you've opened this can of worms, there's no telling how much they can spread. (That's a phrase right? Screw it, I'm making it one lol).

What you are talking about isn't a slippery slope, it's unfounded paranoia.



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Alrighty.. Well I need to step away from this topic because I can easily spend all day getting lost in discussing freedom of speech. It's absolutely one of my hot button issues and one of the things I cherish most in the world, so I can easily see myself getting very heated at some point and that's not where I want to go. I certainly don't want to waste my St. Patty's day doing that.

Luckily the vast majority here and I assume generally speaking aren't ok with this type of dictatorial behavior of governments so that's good enough for me lol. Different strokes for different folks I guess. :/

So carry on all.. Maybe I'll revisit this in like a week or something.



 

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DarthMetalliCube said:

More proof that we're slooowly but surely regressing back into the dark ages..

So racist, I'm triggered and offended for people from the dark ages! They're all dead so I'll be offended for them on the internet! That seems to be a good way to distract from not having a job in 2018!

 

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