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Forums - Politics Discussion - Delaware students can now choose their own race (Yes, RACE!) under new regulations.

Who gives a crap?

The people who are whinging about it are just as bad. Move along. Stop making a fuss out of something so unimportant.



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sundin13 said:
Aeolus451 said:

Do some people have a problem with critical thinking or something? 🙀

What happens when you let people identify as whatever race they want then make it legitimately recognised in the legal sense and you give entitlements based on race like grants, scholarships, oppression points, social promotion. I bet east asians would love to be able to say they're black just for school.

Well, seeing how this is an anti-discrimination law, doing any of those things would likely be illegal in the context of these school systems...

So, seems like that's irrelevant here?

https://www.studentscholarshipsearch.com/ethnicity/

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/20/opinion/asians-too-smart-for-their-own-good.html

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action_in_the_United_States

What were you saying?



Aeolus451 said:
sundin13 said:

Well, seeing how this is an anti-discrimination law, doing any of those things would likely be illegal in the context of these school systems...

So, seems like that's irrelevant here?

https://www.studentscholarshipsearch.com/ethnicity/

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/20/opinion/asians-too-smart-for-their-own-good.html

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action_in_the_United_States

What were you saying?

And what does that have to do with digital record maintenance within Deleware public K-12 schooling?

Affirmative action tends to be a thing in tertiary schooling and private schooling, neither of which seem to be covered under this regulation, however, even if they were, I don't believe there is any language within this regulation which implies that these self-identified classifications are forced to override other checks when necessary. There is even language within this regulation which states that any scholarships within this school system may not discriminate based on any protected characteristics, making it explicit that race-specific grants and scholarships are not allowed under this regulation.

So, it seems they thoroughly covered your concerns...



dx11332sega said:

About the gender thing if I ever have a daughter that is smart and goes to private girls only school and some guy says his gender is also female and hes young but in reality he's 45? this is messed up

This applies only to public schools which are always coed.  It also does not allow people to self identify age, and their are existing laws that prevent people above a certain age (dunno what the cutoff is exactly, but it is certainly way below 45) from attending public schools for grade 12 and below.

So relax chicken little.  The sky is not falling.



sundin13 said:
Aeolus451 said:

https://www.studentscholarshipsearch.com/ethnicity/

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/20/opinion/asians-too-smart-for-their-own-good.html

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action_in_the_United_States

What were you saying?

And what does that have to do with digital record maintenance within Deleware public K-12 schooling?

Affirmative action tends to be a thing in tertiary schooling and private schooling, neither of which seem to be covered under this regulation, however, even if they were, I don't believe there is any language within this regulation which implies that these self-identified classifications are forced to override other checks when necessary. There is even language within this regulation which states that any scholarships within this school system may not discriminate based on any protected characteristics, making it explicit that race-specific grants and scholarships are not allowed under this regulation.

So, it seems they thoroughly covered your concerns...

And college applications (at least any one that I've seen) already allow you to self identify race...



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JWeinCom said:

Of course there's no need... but "we will continue identifying race pretty much the same way we always have" is not nearly as interesting as "OMG THE SJWS WANT TO LET EVERYONE IDENTIFY THEMSELVES AS PANDAS!"

Conservatives/non-"SJWs"/whatever you want to call them are the most dramatic people of all. Absolutely reactionary.

Fact of the matter is, this isn't new and it won't effect much of anything.



sundin13 said:
Aeolus451 said:

https://www.studentscholarshipsearch.com/ethnicity/

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/20/opinion/asians-too-smart-for-their-own-good.html

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action_in_the_United_States

What were you saying?

And what does that have to do with digital record maintenance within Deleware public K-12 schooling?

Affirmative action tends to be a thing in tertiary schooling and private schooling, neither of which seem to be covered under this regulation, however, even if they were, I don't believe there is any language within this regulation which implies that these self-identified classifications are forced to override other checks when necessary. There is even language within this regulation which states that any scholarships within this school system may not discriminate based on any protected characteristics, making it explicit that race-specific grants and scholarships are not allowed under this regulation.

So, it seems they thoroughly covered your concerns...

Stop trying to downplay it into "digital record maintenance". It affects everything  from bathrooms to how sports will work out. If you identify yourself as black when you're actually white or asian, it will help you when you try to get into college because the school has you on the record as black.

It could easily expand to colleges.



ITT: A bunch of people arguing that race is a scientific reality in humans without doing any research, then refusing to accept articles of actual science disagreeing with them.



MDMAlliance said:
ITT: A bunch of people arguing that race is a scientific reality in humans without doing any research, then refusing to accept articles of actual science disagreeing with them.

Accept those articles are nothing more than bullshit spout of ideologies. The field of medical science has shown time and time again that there is existence of race on a physiological basis ... 

Social scientists can't comprehend race on a biological basis compared to biologists or physicians since that is not their field of expertise no matter how they don't want it ... (social scientists with their liberal crap aren't qualified to say anything about whether races exist or not)



NintendoPie said:
JWeinCom said:

Of course there's no need... but "we will continue identifying race pretty much the same way we always have" is not nearly as interesting as "OMG THE SJWS WANT TO LET EVERYONE IDENTIFY THEMSELVES AS PANDAS!"

Conservatives/non-"SJWs"/whatever you want to call them are the most dramatic people of all. Absolutely reactionary.

Fact of the matter is, this isn't new and it won't effect much of anything.

Pretty much this.  I mean, there are of course people on the other side that go off over dumb shit but this is on another level.  It is a reaction to a completely imaginary problem.

I've actually asked several times throughout this thread what people would suggest be done differently, and I've been met with deafening silence each time.   I legitimately cannot think of a more practical and efficient way of recording race.  Apparently, none of the people who feel like this is a horrible problem can either.