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In support of Grid girls. 72 79.12%
 
I support banning grid gi... 6 6.59%
 
Indifferent or unsure. 12 13.19%
 
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Intrinsic said:
forest-spirit said:
Yes, let's blame feminism for this and not the ones with the actual power to make these decisions.

The ones with the actual power to make these decisions made them to avoid drama tho.....

Anyways i have a question.....

These girls were getting paid right? And this is a form of modelling if I am not mistaken. If the feminists look at this as objectifying women and  sexualizing them.... shouldn't they also go and try and ban strip clubs 

They prefer easy meat (targets). 😹



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Its just another case of a small but loud minority dictating the behaviour of a majority. One day women will realize how this feminists 2.0 are actually bad for the majority of women.
I just wonder how many time it will take for them to tacle on porn industry...



VGPolyglot said:
Azuren said:

Feminists are a minority among women. It wouldn't widen anything.

If it didn't widen their market, they wouldn't have done it.

Chase Carey himself, the boss of Formula 1, has said in an interview that he wanted to keep grid girls and that these girls did their job "with pride" but that there are "important clienteles" who were against them. Translation: Feminists pressured Formula 1 into banning grid girls and the management felt threatened that Formula 1 would be subject to negative press by feminists. So no, it's not about capitalism and "broadening their market" at all. It's about people (feminists) threatening to attack what had already been built: "You either do as we say, or we'll cry Wolf!" They are not trying to widen their market, they are trying to avoid it shrinking due to attacks from outside. You can already see that your explanation is wrong by the massive backlash of the fanbase, both male and female. I've been a hardcore F1 fan for more than 20 years now and on the F1 websites I visit this has caused more backlash than the Halo when that was revealed. 

Here's how it really is: The ban of grid girls could potentially shrink the market and fans don't like it. But the management was more scared of a coordinated feminist propaganda move because that would have been even more harmful in their eyes. This is a lose-lose situation for the sport and anyone who is even slightly interested in F1 knows this because there has never been any serious backlash against grid girls in the last 20 years other than the feminist one. A lot of grid girls were extremely happy with their job, proud to represent their country and excited to be near the stars of their favourite sport. There is nothing wrong with pretty women being pretty. And there is nothing good about pressuring a sport into banning a female job just because it goes against your political agenda. Keep the politics away from sports!, is my opinion.



Ka-pi96 said:
Question: Why haven't any of them sued yet? I mean, it's pretty much a fact that they were fired because they're female isn't it? People wouldn't have had an issue if they were male. And I'm pretty sure firing somebody based on their sex is illegal. Plus isn't F1 replacing them with grid kids? I'm sure firing somebody based on their age and then getting somebody younger is illegal too...

 

SecondWar said:
Honestly for me, I find them a bit distasteful as they don't anything to the sport and are just there for sex appeal. I can speak for darts, and tbh hadn't actually noticed them in F1 (mainly as I only tune in as the race starts) but in my dad's favourite sport Speedway, any televised race has 4 girls pimped out in flashy strips with excessive makeup and attention on their features. It just always felt cheesy.

The F1 idea of kids as mascots feels more in tune with sporting development so I'd prefer to see that.

 

Cobretti2 said:
Ka-pi96 said:

I've seen a fair bit of talk about the grid girls lately. I honestly couldn't care less. They add absolutely nothing to the sport and are just a waste of money. In fact if it means lower ticket prices, since they've now got less people to pay, then I'm all for it! It probably just means less expenditure, and thus more profit, for the organisers though. Would be nice if somebody sometime passed savings on to us consumers.

As for the poll, I choose indifferent. Banning them from employing people in what is a perfectly legal job seems stupid. But I don't want them either, for financial reasons.

In Australia they are going to use Grid Kids, kind of like they got the ball boys at the tennis. I hope they pay them something and not just use volunteers

 

A_C_E said:
Otter said:
1. I think people misunderstand the whole notion behind this. Its not about taking away the freedom of the girls, its about encouraging a 2. fairer culture/3. code of conduct/4. representation in the sports. 5. A guy couldn't just decide to performs these roles because there is no openning for them.

Its about the culture you want the sport to represent and encourage that is far bigger and generational then the jobs they loose, but also less a tangible subject.

1. How is the outright banning of actions of women in the Grid/F1 payroll an encouraging endeavor? Taking away choices is not encouragement of due course and these ladies just lost their jobs because 3rd wave feminists care more about a small minority of peoples thought patterns than the reality of the situation that effect these women's paychecks.

2. A more fair culture? These industries are male dominated and these people just fired the ladies......

3. What code of conduct was broken?

4. Again, the representation of women, in this case women who also own businesses, was just quashed.

5. The market will decide whether that's possible or not. Stop telling people what they want. How many men are complaining about not being able to be models at an F1 event? None? Might as well fire the ladies because equal outcome of a ghost variable is just soooo important.

This isn't directed at you Otter, but the actions that led to this video just showcases how a bunch of Flakes can disrupt a perfectly suitable environment completely engrossed in choice. Those choices were just taken away by a group (feminists) who would be dangerous with power.

Edit - Just to clarify, it's not technically feminists hiring and firing, it's the organizations that have control of who they hire and fire. I shouldn't have said "because of feminists" when in fact it is because of the organizations. Recognition of this fact, however, does not deflect the approach of 3rd wave feminists and their train of thought on this matter, or other matters. Lets not pretend like people can't influence the actions of corporations.

Edit 2 - I actually would have taken the same approach as F1 in hiring kids instead of models, it just makes more sense.

The grid kids that F1 will be using are actual junior competitors in the sport, and will chosen by the national sporting authorities for each race, so I understand.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/42950040

On the subject of the grid girls themselves, I sympathise to an extent - it's one less choice that's open to them, and those are high profile jobs that they're losing. However, it's clear from the video in the OP that they do these jobs as an aside to their main careers.

I'd find it hard to choose giving the grid girls their 'choice' back, if it meant denying competitors in the junior racing series the opportunity to be involved in an F1 race in some way.

Last edited by Hedra42 - on 18 February 2018

Semi related - my dad just got his issue of the Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue. Quite frankly I'm surprised this is still allowed given the current sociopolitical climate (at least in America and parts of the West)..



 

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Intrinsic said:
forest-spirit said:
Yes, let's blame feminism for this and not the ones with the actual power to make these decisions.

The ones with the actual power to make these decisions made them to avoid drama tho.....

Anyways i have a question.....

These girls were getting paid right? And this is a form of modelling if I am not mistaken. If the feminists look at this as objectifying women and  sexualizing them.... shouldn't they also go and try and ban strip clubs 

No one is saying objectification is the devils work and needs to be wiped from society, but many people feel that sexually motivated positions and roles should not placed in sport which ultimately have nothing to do with sex and a wide demographic audience including families. Just because someone thinks naked woman shouldn't be on page 3 of the UK's biggest newspaper, it doesn't mean they think porn should be illegal.

The fact that we're even comparing a strip club to an F1 event should make the point very clear.



John2290 said:
WolfpackN64 said:
I don't know. The ban is a bit harsh, but I've always been sceptical of grid girls. They're just like those models in car shows: they have no good reason for being there.

Cosplayers and Comic cons are hired for no good reason too, should cons ban them? Or ban cosplay in general?

Where? At comic conventions? I don't I think that makes a lot of sense... If the organisers think something is in appropriate than they should ban it. If fans think the organisers are wrong, they should pressure them to reverse said decision.



A_C_E said:
Otter said:
1. I think people misunderstand the whole notion behind this. Its not about taking away the freedom of the girls, its about encouraging a 2. fairer culture/3. code of conduct/4. representation in the sports. 5. A guy couldn't just decide to performs these roles because there is no openning for them.

Its about the culture you want the sport to represent and encourage that is far bigger and generational then the jobs they loose, but also less a tangible subject.

1. How is the outright banning of actions of women in the Grid/F1 payroll an encouraging endeavor? Taking away choices is not encouragement of due course and these ladies just lost their jobs because 3rd wave feminists care more about a small minority of peoples thought patterns than the reality of the situation that effect these women's paychecks.

2. A more fair culture? These industries are male dominated and these people just fired the ladies......

3. What code of conduct was broken?

4. Again, the representation of women, in this case women who also own businesses, was just quashed.

5. The market will decide whether that's possible or not. Stop telling people what they want. How many men are complaining about not being able to be models at an F1 event? None? Might as well fire the ladies because equal outcome of a ghost variable is just soooo important.

This isn't directed at you Otter, but the actions that led to this video just showcases how a bunch of Flakes can disrupt a perfectly suitable environment completely engrossed in choice. Those choices were just taken away by a group (feminists) who would be dangerous with power.

Edit - Just to clarify, it's not technically feminists hiring and firing, it's the organizations that have control of who they hire and fire. I shouldn't have said "because of feminists" when in fact it is because of the organizations. Recognition of this fact, however, does not deflect the approach of 3rd wave feminists and their train of thought on this matter, or other matters. Lets not pretend like people can't influence the actions of corporations.

Edit 2 - I actually would have taken the same approach as F1 in hiring kids instead of models, it just makes more sense.

Because female representation should amount to more than eye candy and the same culture which doesn't care to address this encourages the piss poor treatement of woman who deal with daily street harrasment, inappropriate comments at the workplace, sexual harrasment in all stages of life from men who feel entitled, and complete abuses of power as seen in the Harvey Weinstein exposè. Its almost as if people are ignoring the fact we are a product of our environment and shaping our environment influences how the future generation grow and treat each other. If the market demands a return of the Grid girls I'm sure we'll see them in some form or another, I don't think they do...

And thats just one angle, they could want to make it more family friendly but I'll repeat my closing line again "it's about the culture you want the sport to represent and encourage that is far bigger and generational then the jobs they loose, but also less a tangible subject."

And its not even that I think that this is a must or believe it will definitely make a difference, but lets not over simply the thinking to crazy feminists ruining things. 

Last edited by Otter - on 17 February 2018

Otter said:
Intrinsic said:

The ones with the actual power to make these decisions made them to avoid drama tho.....

Anyways i have a question.....

These girls were getting paid right? And this is a form of modelling if I am not mistaken. If the feminists look at this as objectifying women and  sexualizing them.... shouldn't they also go and try and ban strip clubs 

No one is saying objectification is the devils work and needs to be wiped from society, but many people feel that sexually motivated positions and roles should not placed in sport which ultimately have nothing to do with sex and a wide demographic audience including families. Just because someone thinks naked woman shouldn't be on page 3 of the UK's biggest newspaper, it doesn't mean they think porn should be illegal.

The fact that we're even comparing a strip club to an F1 event should make the point very clear.

Actually it doesn't make it any clearer to me.

If these women are doing this against their will, or are not getting paid. Or if the argument is that they should be paid more... I will understand all that. Hell, if the argument is that their should be more women drivers i could get that too.

What i see here is a bunch of women taking the livelihood of other women simply because they feel they have the moral high ground. The only difference this is going to make in the world right now is that thousands of women or even the agencies that represent them are now out of a job.

Yay?

How about this, show us one single video or one article of these models saying they hate working there and how they feel objectified. Not a sex scandal... those happen everywhere. I am talking about an actual petition by one of these women that warrants this kinda initiative. Just one.



Otter said:
Intrinsic said:

The ones with the actual power to make these decisions made them to avoid drama tho.....

Anyways i have a question.....

These girls were getting paid right? And this is a form of modelling if I am not mistaken. If the feminists look at this as objectifying women and  sexualizing them.... shouldn't they also go and try and ban strip clubs 

No one is saying objectification is the devils work and needs to be wiped from society, but many people feel that sexually motivated positions and roles should not placed in sport which ultimately have nothing to do with sex and a wide demographic audience including families. Just because someone thinks naked woman shouldn't be on page 3 of the UK's biggest newspaper, it doesn't mean they think porn should be illegal.

The fact that we're even comparing a strip club to an F1 event should make the point very clear.

this doesn't make sense, how can you be against the objectification of women and not be against the production of porn? and even beyond that to a lesser degree modelling?