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I'm pretty sure he already explained this years ago but only the asshole replies ever got threads made about them
https://mynintendonews.com/2014/10/01/kamiya-says-multiple-publishers-turned-down-bayonetta-2/



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Chazore said:
SegataSanshiro said: Since they own the code Nintendo decided where Bayonetta 2 and 3 go. Kamiya has said it multiple times. If you want 2 and 3 on Sony or MS systems, Ask Nintendo. You may as well ask for Mario on PS4. Get over it.

I'm over it, and was a long time ago. I'm just trying to clear things up for you, because you seem to greatly misunderstand what ownership of an IP brand truly means. 


Also, the same applies right back at you. No need to beg for other titles, just get the system they are released on, simple as.

Ownership of a brand is one thing but there's also ownership of individual assets. Which this case seems to be much about. SEGA owns the rights to the IP but Nintendo owns the right to some or all assets.

SEGA probably could make a Bayonetta 2 for other platforms but they'd have to do it without all of the assets owned by Nintendo, which could mean they'd have to redo everything. They might also have to redesign the game to avoid copyright issues. And, it might also be bad for their continued relationship with Nintendo.



vivster said:
RolStoppable said:

Nintendo was basically the last company Platinum was considering. Sega didn't want to fund Bayonetta 2 on their own, neither Sony or Microsoft wanted to fund it. Platinum was at the point where either Nintendo got the copyright or no sequel could be made. Since Kamiya is passionate about his games, being able to make a sequel is preferable to not being able to make one.

By the way, throwing a fanbase under the bus means to turn down the only option for a sequel for a petty reason, so exactly the opposite of what you insinuate.

I'm still waiting if someone can provide a source of which publishers they exactly approached. I heard something of Sony and Microsoft but I don't know about other publishers. I will concede that point if someone finds a reliable source for that. If they really approached a number of other publishers before they saw themselves forced to go with Nintendo, that's fair game.

Though it does not really explain why it had to be done at that point and couldn't wait until they find a better offer. It's not like IPs suddenly evaporate if you don't make games for them in 3 years.

That's also where my comment about throwing their fans under the bus comes from. I believe the majority of fans would have been happy to wait for a sequel if that had meant being able to enjoy the game on more platforms than some very specific ones. How is going for Nintendo the only option forever? Some games have to be pitched 20 times over years to be greenlit by publishers.

I don't buy this "Nintendo saved Bayonetta" crap as if the IP was at any point in danger of dying. It's a cult hit, you can pick that up whenever you like.

Get over it and buy a Switch already.

Platinum Games has provided the answers to each of your questions over the past several years and you're still in the early stages of grief because you failed to look up your own questions.



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vivster said:

I'm still waiting if someone can provide a source of which publishers they exactly approached. I heard something of Sony and Microsoft but I don't know about other publishers. I will concede that point if someone finds a reliable source for that. If they really approached a number of other publishers before they saw themselves forced to go with Nintendo, that's fair game.

Though it does not really explain why it had to be done at that point and couldn't wait until they find a better offer. It's not like IPs suddenly evaporate if you don't make games for them in 3 years.

That's also where my comment about throwing their fans under the bus comes from. I believe the majority of fans would have been happy to wait for a sequel if that had meant being able to enjoy the game on more platforms than some very specific ones.

I don't buy this "Nintendo saved Bayonetta" crap as if the IP was at any point in danger of dying. It's a cult hit, you can pick that up whenever you like.

There's no precedence that I can think of right now where a development studio approached a different third party publisher from the one who owns the IP to successfully get a sequel funded. There's also no precedence of third party publishers teaming up to continue a failed IP of one of them. That's the kind of scenario where only console manufacturers are realistic options, because adding an exclusive game to their lineup makes sense in a business context, unlike in the two previously mentioned examples.

Why it had to be done is because there's no precedence of a single entry third party IP receiving a sequel way down the line, at least I can't think of any. Continually rising development costs make it all the more unlikely that a dormant IP that had only one game gets revived eventually.



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RolStoppable said:

The misunderstanding is on your part and has been for a long time.

I don't think so Rol. 



               

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SpokenTruth said:
vivster said:

I'm still waiting if someone can provide a source of which publishers they exactly approached. I heard something of Sony and Microsoft but I don't know about other publishers. I will concede that point if someone finds a reliable source for that. If they really approached a number of other publishers before they saw themselves forced to go with Nintendo, that's fair game.

Though it does not really explain why it had to be done at that point and couldn't wait until they find a better offer. It's not like IPs suddenly evaporate if you don't make games for them in 3 years.

That's also where my comment about throwing their fans under the bus comes from. I believe the majority of fans would have been happy to wait for a sequel if that had meant being able to enjoy the game on more platforms than some very specific ones. How is going for Nintendo the only option forever? Some games have to be pitched 20 times over years to be greenlit by publishers.

I don't buy this "Nintendo saved Bayonetta" crap as if the IP was at any point in danger of dying. It's a cult hit, you can pick that up whenever you like.

Get over it and buy a Switch already.

Platinum Games has provided the answers to each of your questions over the past several years and you're still in the early stages of grief because you failed to look up your own questions.

So you're saying nobody can provide a source? I mean if you and anyone else on here can't, how would I be able to do it?

I do own a Switch and I do own a Wii U and I do own Bayonetta 2 for Wii U. I played Bayonetta 2 for Wii U until I threw it away in disgust. I will certainly not touch Bayonetta 3 until I get a Bayonetta 2 that actually lives up to what Bayonetta is supposed to be. A fast paced, responsive spectacle fighter.

Call it grief if you must but as far as I'm concerned, Bayonetta got a treatment that it didn't deserve. And that's apparently eternally going to stay this way, so I'm going to eternally complain about it.

I don't like the decision Platninum made with Bayonetta and I think it's fair to complain about it as a consumer and as a fan of the first game.



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vivster said:
SpokenTruth said:

Get over it and buy a Switch already.

Platinum Games has provided the answers to each of your questions over the past several years and you're still in the early stages of grief because you failed to look up your own questions.

So you're saying nobody can provide a source? I mean if you and anyone else on here can't, how would I be able to do it?

I do own a Switch and I do own a Wii U and I do own Bayonetta 2 for Wii U. I played Bayonetta 2 for Wii U until I threw it away in disgust. I will certainly not touch Bayonetta 3 until I get a Bayonetta 2 that actually lives up to what Bayonetta is supposed to be. A fast paced, responsive spectacle fighter.

Call it grief if you must but as far as I'm concerned, Bayonetta got a treatment that it didn't deserve. And that's apparently eternally going to stay this way, so I'm going to eternally complain about it.

I don't like the decision Platninum made with Bayonetta and I think it's fair to complain about it as a consumer and as a fan of the first game.

Do your own homework.  That's going to be the answer every time you complain from here on out.



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RolStoppable said:
vivster said:

I'm still waiting if someone can provide a source of which publishers they exactly approached. I heard something of Sony and Microsoft but I don't know about other publishers. I will concede that point if someone finds a reliable source for that. If they really approached a number of other publishers before they saw themselves forced to go with Nintendo, that's fair game.

Though it does not really explain why it had to be done at that point and couldn't wait until they find a better offer. It's not like IPs suddenly evaporate if you don't make games for them in 3 years.

That's also where my comment about throwing their fans under the bus comes from. I believe the majority of fans would have been happy to wait for a sequel if that had meant being able to enjoy the game on more platforms than some very specific ones.

I don't buy this "Nintendo saved Bayonetta" crap as if the IP was at any point in danger of dying. It's a cult hit, you can pick that up whenever you like.

There's no precedence that I can think of right now where a development studio approached a different third party publisher from the one who owns the IP to successfully get a sequel funded. There's also no precedence of third party publishers teaming up to continue a failed IP of one of them. That's the kind of scenario where only console manufacturers are realistic options, because adding an exclusive game to their lineup makes sense in a business context, unlike in the two previously mentioned examples.

Why it had to be done is because there's no precedence of a single entry third party IP receiving a sequel way down the line, at least I can't think of any. Continually rising development costs make it all the more unlikely that a dormant IP that had only one game gets revived eventually.

For whatever reason I never had any trouble accepting Bayonetta 2 becoming exclusive to Nintendo so I never thought about it that way. I suppose that Platinum asking Squeenix or Capcom to fund their SEGA game is a bit hard to imagine.



Chazore said:
RolStoppable said:

The misunderstanding is on your part and has been for a long time.

I don't think so Rol. 

Yes, and that's the problem.

There's a reason why Kamiya suggests that people should ask Nintendo for Mario and Zelda on PS and Xbox. The copyrights of Bayonetta 2 and 3 effectively turn these games into Nintendo first party titles.



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"Would Bayonetta 2 not exist without Nintendo? The answer is yes," says Atsushi Inaba, executive director at Platinum Games.

https://www.polygon.com/gaming/2012/9/22/3371474/bayonetta-2-would-not-exist-without-nintendo-platinum-games-wii-u

 

“Without funding, we didn’t have the possibility to continue development, but we wanted to get this partially developed Bayonetta 2 available to the public one way or another. So we offered it to various publishers, but as it is a big title, we couldn’t find a partner company. Finally, Bayonetta 2 was about to get terminated completely, when…”

“Nintendo came in and lent a hand and we were able to restart the development we so desired. Finally, the game was released last week, so in five years, we were able to make Bayonetta 2 available to the public.”

“Knowing those circumstances, if someone is still angry for heading towards Nintendo, I wonder what’s the reason for that, wouldn’t you tell me in a way that is easy to understand?”

“As I have said earlier, if you want Bayonetta 2 on PS4 or Xbox One, how about trying to ask Nintendo… If Nintendo doesn’t say yes, it’s not going to happen… While you’re at it, try asking for Mario and Zelda too…”

https://mynintendonews.com/2014/10/01/kamiya-says-multiple-publishers-turned-down-bayonetta-2/

 

神谷英樹 Hideki Kamiya @PG_kamiya Ask Sega/Ninty. RT @lumpy_space16 Soo could you just remaster Bayonetta 1 for the xbox one and ps4, oh and btw, would a bayo 2 port still be

 

People can deny it all they want but Platinum literally says Nintendo saved Bayonetta. Also Did anyone really want MS to fund it? That worked out well for Scalebound.

 

If anyone wants the tweets missing in the OP they are here https://twitter.com/i/moments/963271450370236416