The WiiU is dead and wasn't successful, but it had great first party exclusive games during its run. That I will defend any day.

No ones denying that there were very few and those that were saying for years it would sell decently eventually despite all logic saying other-wise are who I'm talking about.

I still remember when for years anyone who said it wouldn't sell over 20m would be told they were just Nintendoomers.

Exactly what happened with the Switch too. So here we are. It's like nobody can predict these things and we let feelings instead of logic get the better of us. Weird.

Of Course it's, we talking about same time period, and Switch killing easily Wii U with big quality games and number of games for same time period in any case, actually 1st Switch year is probably best ever for any Nintendo hardware.

The Wii U is pathetically weak compared to the PS4 and Xone and difficult to develop for compared to an X86 architecture. It was also barely cheaper than the PS4 when it launched. So that yhe Wii U didnt recieve any meaningfull third party support is all thanks to Nintendo and not the fault of third parties.

If Nintendo gave it their best shot to please third parties with the Wii U. Then Nintendo should never try that again. The gamecube was targeted at third party support and didn't the gamecube get quite a few good third party titles? RE4 as the best example.

Its mostly ports though.

Its better than nothing though, notable games are being ported.

The Wii U was made with a lack of vision from Nintendo who was caught daydreaming from the success of the DS and Wii.  No 3rd party in their right mind would support it (and the ones who bought Nintendo's vision regretted quickly, hence their backtrack).  Outside a couple token games (from their B development teams) it was dropped within nine months...less third party appeasement and more you trying to let Nintendo off the hook for their catastrophic failure.

Even in terms of original titles Switch is killing Wii U

I get what you're both saying.  But then to me that's like saying the PS4 was killing the PS3 because in a short span the PS4 had GTAV, TLoU remaster, Uncharted collection, GoW3 remaster etc.  It just doesn't sound right to me.

Wii U may have been slow at getting games, but new games on a new system takes time.  Porting a game doesn't require as much time.

If you include Indies, yes. But if not, I'm not so sure.

The indie scene was not nearly what it is today and while those games do matter, it does make this an apples to oranges comparison.

Conversely, if we remove the indie titles and make it a more straight up comparison, Wii edges Switch just a taste. I keep saying Switch and Wii are successful for the same reasons. People should listen.