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I'm not interested in VR, so 4k



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John2290 said:
potato_hamster said:

No hate at all. I gave PSVR a fair shot and spent an entire weekend with a unit that I had a chance to buy for $200, and decided to give it a pass. I'll give the next version of PSVR a fair shot too. I have no intention of giving up on it. But let's be realistic here. People have been pushing VR for a long, long time.

It's just after 3 decades of hearing "VR technology is just in it's infancy! Wait till X technology or Y technology hits VR, then it'll take off" you start to consider the real possibility that it's never going to take off like people imagine.

I'd put money on VR and along with it AR, this time around. The tech is there, the porn is there, the media is there...I don't know what you people are talking about, I feel as if you're lying about using it, I never know who is lying these days. There is no tech needed to come, this is the 360p 1960's TV, there is only iteration and improvement to come. Someday we'll get those mass market super OLED flat screen revolution yeah, but for now the tech is solid. 

I just spent 4 hours riding around skyrim, a game I couldn't care less about in near bare bones ps3 graphics, yet I had a smile on my face a good chunk of the time and just some shear fun. I didn't think of the graphics once, so much more is there than the graphics. shear immersive fun. This tech isn't comparable to 4k or any flat screen, it's bringing everything right back to the start. 

If you've tried it or not, only you know that, no need to try and convince me, nor do I care. I just know, it's just so bloody incredible and exciting. Far more exciting than quadruple the pixel count on a 2d TV.

So in your opinion, it's great like it is, and you refuse to acknowledge that other people don't believe the same as you, so you have to question whether they've used it or not.

Do you realize Habam has been banned twice now for the same attitude?



John2290 said:
potato_hamster said:

So in your opinion, it's great like it is, and you refuse to acknowledge that other people don't believe the same as you, so you have to question whether they've used it or not.

Do you realize Habam has been banned twice now for the same attitude?

For someone who is giving VR every chance and willing to give it a chance again, you sure are invested enough to keep track of the bannings of a random VG charts VR evangelist. I'm having fun, a fantastic time with a new technology, I'm saying it's great. Many others are saying the same, I see more praise for it than against it. If you don't care about it or are sure it's going to fail then why are you trying to shit on our parade, so very devotedly?

It doesn't matter how much it's praised. It matters how much it's supported by both developers and fans. Its severely lacking in both fronts to this day, and it doesn't look like it's going to change in a meaningful way any time soon.



VR is a major enhancement in every single aspect of of the way we use electronics, the way we communicate with each other, and the way we live our lives. 

4K alone, is just another minor progression on the same thing we have had in our homes since the 60's.

4K HDR is a significant leap over previous display tech. On a traditional display it offers a worthy step forward, but it will change the world in VR.

 

VR offers everything a 4K display can offer, plus an unlimited amount of new functionallity. In all honesty, it is not even a remotely close battle. 

Looking just at current games that offer VR and 4K, Gran Turismo Sport and Resident Evil 7 to name two, I have absolutely no interest in ever playing those games on any traditional display after playing in VR. 

After playing Arizona Sunshine and Farpoint with the Aim controller, I have very little interest in Traditional TV and Controller based FPS's. The expereince and the incredible leap in gameplay are something that can not be matched with a retro setup.

Now that I have played Skyrim in VR, stuff like Horizon and Zelda feel like I am disabled when I go back to them. The lack of controllability, the limited FOV, and the loss of immersion make it feel dull in comparison.

Then you go to stuff like Carnival Games, I Expect You To Die, Superhot VR, Accounting+, Job Simulator, and many more, and these are expereinces that are not possible anywhere but in VR. 

 

VR is next gen everything. 4K is almost pointless. HDR, However, does deliver a quantum leap over previous traditional displays.



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John2290 said:
potato_hamster said:

It doesn't matter how much it's praised. It matters how much it's supported by both developers and fans. Its severely lacking in both fronts to this day, and it doesn't look like it's going to change in a meaningful way any time soon.

That doesn't stop us from having the time of our gaming lives mate. If this is the only generation of VR, I'm happy with that and it's not gonna stop us VR gamers who love it at having the best year yet in 2018. 

There are many people that have tried "this generation of VR" and aren't having the time of their lives, and aren't willing to pay for it.

Wonderful that you enjoy it, but please understand and accept that many don't enjoy it nearly as much as you do.



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I vote HDR. HDR needs to be an option. It covers a higher color gamut and helps improve contrast ratio. Resolution would be secondary to HDR.



potato_hamster said:
Errorist76 said:

Let’s just say screens are nearing the end of their development cycle. The rule of diminish returns.

VR is just at the beginning.

VR technology has existed since before the power glove.

What on earth are you talking about? How many more decades do we need before VR will no longer be "at the beginning"?

TV technology also was some decades "at the beginning"



John2290 said:
LivingMetal said:
I vote HDR. HDR needs to be an option. It covers a higher color gamut and helps improve contrast ratio. Resolution would be secondary to HDR.

Can't have HDR without the display and they seem to be keeping the tech on the opposite side of a 4k paywall. So...HDR is 4k is this senario.

I think I see what you're saying. But you can buy some sets with 4K only while you can buy other sets with 4K and HDR.  While personally I am content with HDR on a quality 1080p set, those sets are quite rare. Having to buy a set with 4K and HDR is not an issue for me.

Last edited by LivingMetal - on 05 February 2018

AlfredoTurkey said:
habam said:

many stuff in terms of gameplay isnt possible without vr (eg I expect you to die, Job Simulator, ...)

When VR games are winning GOTY awards, I'll pay attention. 

Resident evil 7 has won some goty Awards

 

A VR exclusive can’t win any goty awards currently scince no magazine would give a goty award to a game just accessible to such a small Userbase. That’s why they made a category: „VR game of the year“. Vr Games arnt even considered competition, you can’t even vote for them.

 

that said, games like farpoint or lone echo recieved similar good user reviews as games like zelda botw. Amazon verified user reviews: farpoint with aim Controller 4,8/5; Zelda botw 4,8/5. both with more then 100 votes 



potato_hamster said:
John2290 said:

You really hate VR don't you. Still jaded from the 90's? Time to let it go man, at least give it one more try.

No hate at all. I gave PSVR a fair shot and spent an entire weekend with a unit that I had a chance to buy for $200, and decided to give it a pass. I'll give the next version of PSVR a fair shot too. I have no intention of giving up on it. But let's be realistic here. People have been pushing VR for a long, long time.

It's just after 3 decades of hearing "VR technology is just in it's infancy! Wait till X technology or Y technology hits VR, then it'll take off" you start to consider the real possibility that it's never going to take off like people imagine.

I don’t think you need to wait. Skyrim vr (at least if you don’t get motion sick and adeptly to the controls) is beyond everything we ever saw in screen based gaming. Controls and combat system is superior, scale is impressive, beeing in tamriel is outstanding. I’m currently playing the Dragonborn dlc and it’s sooo damn good. Seriously, way more fun then I had with botw.