hunter_alien said:
Azzanation said:
Well see there are a few flaws with your debate.
1st - I said Majority not all. In your eyes the US Automotive industry must be failing hard since there cars are mostly popular in the USA. Much like the Australian Car Industry as well since no one buys there stuff overseas either (Yes I'm Australian)
2nd - USA is enough to satisfy any maker if you succeed in the US your product succeeds as well.
3rd - You act like finishing last means unsuccessful. Its a Business not a Sport might want to Learn the difference between the two. There's no Gold trophy to the 1st place team.
4th - Did you forget the WiiU finished last this gen?
Proof is you don't need the rest of the world to be successful.
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-10-19/death-of-australian-car-making-leaves-chasm-in-blue-collar-towns
2: True, but at the same time it sells less than half of its global possibility
3: Again, its true, and nothing inherently wrong, the problem is that MS puts a whole lot of manpower behind the Xbox division, and they are way behind schedule when it comes to real results. One would argue that the dropped way behind their intended 200 million target.
4: No I did not and it was a horrible failure, yet lets be honest this time around the X and PS4 will have to compete with the Switch, regardless the generational gap. Also, while Nintendo needed to try again to stay alive, MS does not rely on the gaming industry to stay relevant. Compare the Xbox brand to Azure and it quickly becomes obvious just how badly they look in comparison.
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If there is no more Xbox generations than you will see them hit that 200million target, that's the clever thing on what they stated. They might be running the same platform for the rest of its life. No reset on there generations will lead to a number like that.
You cannot base a success off your competition, a success is if your business grows and profits not if it can outsell its competitors. Sure its great if they did however that's not necessary. A good example of this is if Nintendo pulls the Switch off the market for there next console in 3 years time while X1 and PS4 continue to sell the same machine for the next 8 years, that means that X1 and PS4 will have sold more but you cannot take the success away from the Switch. Look at the N64, 5 years on the market and sold half of the PS1 which was on the market for 10 years, was that a failure to Nintendo? No.
eva01beserk said:
Azzanation said:
You are probably right, Online services do have incentives.. however its clear that it is a much better way to profit when done right.
Nintendo, Sony and Xbox have all had there ups and downs, console gaming is a giant gamble every Gen, One becomes super successful and the other fails to fire. Its common and its a dangerous industry and can be a major disaster for inventors or a great investment to some.
What started it all was Steam, a service that hit the gaming jackpot. That's something all companies are trying to achieve even Sony and Nintendo hence why PSN, PSNOW and Eshop and Nintendo's upcoming service all exists. Its become the standard and eventually it will become the full focus, Sony and Nintendo are trying to do it while not pissing off there customers and sneaking in there future plans while MS seem to be more upfront with there future plans. Hardware gets old, and everyone moves on eventually, where as an Account doesn't and it stays in the eco system waiting for the next big thing. Its a future proof system that will continue to generate money even though-out the generations. That's why MS have a bigger focus than just Xbox, there focus is also on the PC market and trying to grab as many customers as possible for there network.
Yes Sony and Nintendo are killing it right now however lets not forget the WiiU, the PS3, the Dreamcast and many more, this industry is far from perfect. Next gen will be another gamble on who would fall first and who will rise. Someone is going to lose. Unless you are Steam.
Gamers should start ignoring game sale numbers since things like Game-Pass will decrease physical game sales and that it wont be telling the full story any more which I think is a great thing. Sale numbers is usually nothing more than a ego tester, fanboys, trolls and it leads to nothing but wars. Having a service defeats the purpose of a debate which will lead to a healthier industry.
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I think you are very confused on something and that while steam did struck gold, the circumstances are not the same anymore. Steam was groundbreaking for its time when everyone was on their own and gave just brought them together. But in a world where steam exist, there is no need for another service like it. Even if its better people wont care cuz it has a monopoly. plus what it offers its quite minimal really, everything is pretty much similar already. The only way MS can fight steam is by offering a similar platform, but also add something that steam doesn't and that would be exclusive games. So in the end, what would help push the console business would also push its pc store front.
So in the end, the future you are describing will be the same as the present, just that they might not need to produce the box anymore, but without anything to call out to their digital store thats unique that another store does not offer, it will fail, just the same as its already failed and they had to put games on steam like cuphead and I dont recall the other game.
And on the thing about ignoring game sales, thats already the case. We here that do care are but a small percent of the real gaming population. we really dont impact anything. And focusing on subs wont change anything, it will then be who has the most subs that starts fan wars. Like why does MS not disclose how many users actually pay for gold subs?
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There's no confusion about it. Current console are becoming and trying to be more like PCs, I am seeing the evolution with my own eyes. All systems are following Steams methods of success which is why they all have focused on the online digital side of things.
If consoles wanted to be consoles than why are they even bothering implementing an online structure like Steam? Because that's where the real money is, low maintenance and easy to make money.
Software is down for Xbox by 10% but lets not take that for granted yet because I have a strong feeling that could be related Gamepass and that will only continue to reduce the numbers.
MS don't need to give numbers out to anybody, why should they? Its a business and stuff like that can stay in the business. How come MS never posted how much money they made on Live Subs from the entire 360 era? Maybe they don't want tell people how much money there making off you. Somethings are best keep inside the company walls.
