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KrspaceT said:

What party wants to minimize war actions: Democrats

What party wants to keep and expand war: Republicans

The people in Libya and Syria experienced a different reality

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlz3-OzcExI



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Aeolus451 said:

I'm mixed with Japanese, Cherokee, Irish and Swedish so stow the minority rhetoric please. Obama can't take credit for the economy of today. Companies and experts say that most of this is the result of Trump being pro-business from the start which helps out everyone. The tax cuts are just the icing on the cake. Trump has done more for black people in one year than Obama did in 8 and Trump didn't ask for any votes either.

Don't make stuff up just because you want it to be true.  Why do people even do this?  

Most experts will tell you that the ups and downs of the economy are largely outside the control of the President.  Trump deserves credit for what he has done, of course, but unless you're telling me that he went back in time, it's impossible to give him credit for the recovery, which started years before he took office.  That is what most experts will tell you.  Some segments of the recovery pace were steady under Obama and has remained steady under Trump.  Other segments that lagged under Obama have also lagged under Trump.

On the topic of the OP, why're people even letting themselves get manipulated by this guy?  He's just trying to start a fire.

The truth is, the country is no more split than it has ever been.  If you're judging based on forum and Facebook arguments then you deserve to be laughed at.  We don't spend all day looking at pictures of cats, either.  



pokoko said:
Aeolus451 said:

I'm mixed with Japanese, Cherokee, Irish and Swedish so stow the minority rhetoric please. Obama can't take credit for the economy of today. Companies and experts say that most of this is the result of Trump being pro-business from the start which helps out everyone. The tax cuts are just the icing on the cake. Trump has done more for black people in one year than Obama did in 8 and Trump didn't ask for any votes either.

Don't make stuff up just because you want it to be true.  Why do people even do this?  

Most experts will tell you that the ups and downs of the economy are largely outside the control of the President.  Trump deserves credit for what he has done, of course, but unless you're telling me that he went back in time, it's impossible to give him credit for the recovery, which started years before he took office.  That is what most experts will tell you.  Some segments of the recovery pace were steady under Obama and has remained steady under Trump.  Other segments that lagged under Obama have also lagged under Trump.

On the topic of the OP, why're people even letting themselves get manipulated by this guy?  He's just trying to start a fire.

The truth is, the country is no more split than it has ever been.  If you're judging based on forum and Facebook arguments then you deserve to be laughed at.  We don't spend all day looking at pictures of cats, either.  

He's responsible for what happened as soon as he won the election. Companies  and investors regained faith in the economy almost immediately. Companies don't take years to react to something or someone. The tax bill is already affecting the world economy positively.



KrspaceT said:
VGPolyglot said:

Oh yeah? Who supports maintaining war? Both parties. Who supports spying on the population? Both parties. Who is represented in the parliament by rich people? Both parties. Who uses patriotism and nationalism to spur up propaganda? Both parties. Who maintains the capitalist system? Both parties.

What party wants to protect the enviornment: Democrats

What party wants to ensure civil protections for minorities: Democrats

What party wants to minimize war actions: Democrats

What party wants to look into renewable energy: Democrats

What party works to minimize the gender inequality in workplace: Democrats

What party wants to move relations forward with Cuba and Iran: Democrats

What party wants to maintain voting rights and ease: Democrats

What party wants to keep education educational: Democrats

What party wants to look at immigration issues case by case: Democrats

What party wants to work on the shooting epidemic: Democrats

........Need I say more?

1. While Obama was president, greenhouse gas emissions rose:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/oct/21/us-fossil-fuel-obama-climate-change-energy-heat

2. Remember the Dakota access pipeline, where the police attacked Native Americans? Obama was also president during that time:

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/22122016/standing-rock-dakota-access-pipeline-native-american-protest-environmental-justice

3. The military budget rose under Obama:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/32/Defense_spending.png

4. The US produced more oil under the latter years of Obama's presidency than any of Bush's years:

https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=pet&s=mcrfpus2&f=a

5. Democrats in congress are still disproportionately male:

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/slideshows/the-115th-congress-by-party-race-gender-and-religion?slide=4

6. Hillary Clinton, presidential candidate in 2008 and 2016, is talking about war with Iran

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGj_9jHHanM

7. Remember the Jim Crow and segregationist laws? There were Democrats that supported them too.

http://www.history.com/news/how-the-party-of-lincoln-won-over-the-once-democratic-south

8. Democrats in Connecticut approved education cuts:

https://www.rga.org/connecticut-educators-blast-democrats-education-funding-cuts-budget-crisis-worsens/

9. There were still over 2.5 million people deported under Obama. I would say that they probably did not do a case-by-case of all of those 2 million plus people:

https://www.snopes.com/obama-deported-more-people/

10. They may want to limit guns, but notice how they are mentioning war weapons? Maybe it's because they want to prevent armed uprising against them?:

https://www.democrats.org/party-platform#gun-violence



numberwang said:
KrspaceT said:

What party wants to minimize war actions: Democrats

What party wants to keep and expand war: Republicans

The people in Libya and Syria experienced a different reality

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlz3-OzcExI

Those states were on fire before we got involved. Iraq wasn't. Afghanistan was also on fire, sort of speak.



The Democratic Nintendo fan....is that a paradox? I'm fond of one of the more conservative companies in the industry, but I vote Liberally and view myself that way 90% of the time?

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numberwang said:
deskpro2k3 said:
R I mean they have no problem with an accused molester

The difference between them is that Bill is a competent person with a brain :P
both are 'good at what they do', but one was a president and the other one is a reality tv host.



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VGPolyglot said:
KrspaceT said:

What party wants to protect the enviornment: Democrats

What party wants to ensure civil protections for minorities: Democrats

What party wants to minimize war actions: Democrats

What party wants to look into renewable energy: Democrats

What party works to minimize the gender inequality in workplace: Democrats

What party wants to move relations forward with Cuba and Iran: Democrats

What party wants to maintain voting rights and ease: Democrats

What party wants to keep education educational: Democrats

What party wants to look at immigration issues case by case: Democrats

What party wants to work on the shooting epidemic: Democrats

........Need I say more?

1. While Obama was president, greenhouse gas emissions rose:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/oct/21/us-fossil-fuel-obama-climate-change-energy-heat

2. Remember the Dakota access pipeline, where the police attacked Native Americans? Obama was also president during that time:

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/22122016/standing-rock-dakota-access-pipeline-native-american-protest-environmental-justice

3. The military budget rose under Obama:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/32/Defense_spending.png

4. The US produced more oil under the latter years of Obama's presidency than any of Bush's years:

https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=pet&s=mcrfpus2&f=a

5. Democrats in congress are still disproportionately male:

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/slideshows/the-115th-congress-by-party-race-gender-and-religion?slide=4

6. Hillary Clinton, presidential candidate in 2008 and 2016, is talking about war with Iran

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGj_9jHHanM

7. Remember the Jim Crow and segregationist laws? There were Democrats that supported them too.

http://www.history.com/news/how-the-party-of-lincoln-won-over-the-once-democratic-south

8. Democrats in Connecticut approved education cuts:

https://www.rga.org/connecticut-educators-blast-democrats-education-funding-cuts-budget-crisis-worsens/

9. There were still over 2.5 million people deported under Obama. I would say that they probably did not do a case-by-case of all of those 2 million plus people:

https://www.snopes.com/obama-deported-more-people/

10. They may want to limit guns, but notice how they are mentioning war weapons? Maybe it's because they want to prevent armed uprising against them?:

https://www.democrats.org/party-platform#gun-violence

1: He also worked to work on controlling future emissions. Accords and all, which Trump quickly backed out of.

2: Being president doesn't mean one can control everything. 

3: I said military action, did I not

4: And green energy production is also booming during that time.

5: So a white man can't work for woman and minority rights? You have to be LGBT to support them? Aren't you narrow minded.

6: Hillary is a tad more hawkish than most, but plenty less than Republicans. 

7: The modern Democrat and the Democrat of now a days are very different. Parties back then were mostly based on economics, with wings of social politics in each party. The conservative democrat of Jim Crow is a Republican today.

8: I'm from Connecticut, and the current govenor is doing long needed budget work. It's why he's only single terming on his volition. Also note my comment was on science: Malloy is not pushing for people in Connecticut to think T.Rex was on the ark.

9: He also passed the DREAMER information, lest one forget. Republicans now want those people gone despite the fact that they were children taken across the border

10: Paranoia huh, cute. It could because military grade hardware is used by people to mow down bars and schools.



The Democratic Nintendo fan....is that a paradox? I'm fond of one of the more conservative companies in the industry, but I vote Liberally and view myself that way 90% of the time?

KrspaceT said:
VGPolyglot said:

1. While Obama was president, greenhouse gas emissions rose:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/oct/21/us-fossil-fuel-obama-climate-change-energy-heat

2. Remember the Dakota access pipeline, where the police attacked Native Americans? Obama was also president during that time:

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/22122016/standing-rock-dakota-access-pipeline-native-american-protest-environmental-justice

3. The military budget rose under Obama:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/32/Defense_spending.png

4. The US produced more oil under the latter years of Obama's presidency than any of Bush's years:

https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=pet&s=mcrfpus2&f=a

5. Democrats in congress are still disproportionately male:

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/slideshows/the-115th-congress-by-party-race-gender-and-religion?slide=4

6. Hillary Clinton, presidential candidate in 2008 and 2016, is talking about war with Iran

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGj_9jHHanM

7. Remember the Jim Crow and segregationist laws? There were Democrats that supported them too.

http://www.history.com/news/how-the-party-of-lincoln-won-over-the-once-democratic-south

8. Democrats in Connecticut approved education cuts:

https://www.rga.org/connecticut-educators-blast-democrats-education-funding-cuts-budget-crisis-worsens/

9. There were still over 2.5 million people deported under Obama. I would say that they probably did not do a case-by-case of all of those 2 million plus people:

https://www.snopes.com/obama-deported-more-people/

10. They may want to limit guns, but notice how they are mentioning war weapons? Maybe it's because they want to prevent armed uprising against them?:

https://www.democrats.org/party-platform#gun-violence

1: He also worked to work on controlling future emissions. Accords and all, which Trump quickly backed out of.

2: Being president doesn't mean one can control everything. 

3: I said military action, did I not

4: And green energy production is also booming during that time.

5: So a white man can't work for woman and minority rights? You have to be LGBT to support them? Aren't you narrow minded.

6: Hillary is a tad more hawkish than most, but plenty less than Republicans. 

7: The modern Democrat and the Democrat of now a days are very different. Parties back then were mostly based on economics, with wings of social politics in each party. The conservative democrat of Jim Crow is a Republican today.

8: I'm from Connecticut, and the current govenor is doing long needed budget work. It's why he's only single terming on his volition. Also note my comment was on science: Malloy is not pushing for people in Connecticut to think T.Rex was on the ark.

9: He also passed the DREAMER information, lest one forget. Republicans now want those people gone despite the fact that they were children taken across the border

10: Paranoia huh, cute. It could because military grade hardware is used by people to mow down bars and schools.

Wouldn't point #2 contradict point #1?

3. What do you think they increased the budget for? Just for fun?

https://www.globalresearch.ca/obama-ordered-ten-times-more-drone-strikes-than-bush/5475415

4. And has production gone down since then?

5. No, nor did I imply that. I am saying that it's tough to talk about equal rights for genders when your own party is dominated by males.

6. Plenty less than Republicans? How are we determining the scale? Is it anything to avoid associating Democrats with Republicans?

7. They claim to be the same party, as that one though..

8. Less funding means they are more vulnerable to having to rely on private donors or institutions, which is a huge risk.

9. https://www.biography.com/people/eli%C3%A1n-gonz%C3%A1lez-9542365

10. It's pretty simple to conclude that they don't want to get overthrown when they're the ones in power.

 

By the way, I don't like Republicans, keep that in mind. My goal isn't to defend the Republicans, but to try to help people understand that they are both part of the same regime and same system, and thus they're going to have many similarities.

Last edited by VGPolyglot - on 31 January 2018

Aeolus451 said:
pokoko said:

Don't make stuff up just because you want it to be true.  Why do people even do this?  

Most experts will tell you that the ups and downs of the economy are largely outside the control of the President.  Trump deserves credit for what he has done, of course, but unless you're telling me that he went back in time, it's impossible to give him credit for the recovery, which started years before he took office.  That is what most experts will tell you.  Some segments of the recovery pace were steady under Obama and has remained steady under Trump.  Other segments that lagged under Obama have also lagged under Trump.

On the topic of the OP, why're people even letting themselves get manipulated by this guy?  He's just trying to start a fire.

The truth is, the country is no more split than it has ever been.  If you're judging based on forum and Facebook arguments then you deserve to be laughed at.  We don't spend all day looking at pictures of cats, either.  

He's responsible for what happened as soon as he won the election. Companies  and investors regained faith in the economy almost immediately. Companies don't take years to react to something or someone. The tax bill is already affecting the world economy positively.

So you're praising Obama for starting the recovery?  Look, you might want to see the President as being responsible for all parts of the economy but you also claimed that experts are also giving all the credit to Trump, which is not true.  The economic recovery started years ago.  

I'm not trying to change your mind.  I don't care if you want to give Trump credit for the moon landing in 1969.  However, what you said in the post I quoted initially is mostly propaganda.  Some numbers have improved under Trump, some have not--and almost all of it is largely inline with previous trends.  That is what experts will tell you.

Of course, we still have to see the tax revision will result in a spike, which would be credited to Trump, as would a deficit balloon if he is unable to offset the reduction in tax revenue.  



VGPolyglot said:
KrspaceT said:

1: He also worked to work on controlling future emissions. Accords and all, which Trump quickly backed out of.

2: Being president doesn't mean one can control everything. 

3: I said military action, did I not

4: And green energy production is also booming during that time.

5: So a white man can't work for woman and minority rights? You have to be LGBT to support them? Aren't you narrow minded.

6: Hillary is a tad more hawkish than most, but plenty less than Republicans. 

7: The modern Democrat and the Democrat of now a days are very different. Parties back then were mostly based on economics, with wings of social politics in each party. The conservative democrat of Jim Crow is a Republican today.

8: I'm from Connecticut, and the current govenor is doing long needed budget work. It's why he's only single terming on his volition. Also note my comment was on science: Malloy is not pushing for people in Connecticut to think T.Rex was on the ark.

9: He also passed the DREAMER information, lest one forget. Republicans now want those people gone despite the fact that they were children taken across the border

10: Paranoia huh, cute. It could because military grade hardware is used by people to mow down bars and schools.

Wouldn't point #2 contradict point #1?

3. What do you think they increased the budget for? Just for fun?

https://www.globalresearch.ca/obama-ordered-ten-times-more-drone-strikes-than-bush/5475415

4. And has production gone down since then?

5. No, nor did I imply that. I am saying that it's tough to talk about equal rights for genders when your own party is dominated by males.

6. Plenty less than Republicans? How are we determining the scale? Is it anything to avoid associating Democrats with Republicans?

7. They claim to be the same party, as that one though..

8. Less funding means they are more vulnerable to having to rely on private donors or institutions, which is a huge risk.

9. https://www.biography.com/people/eli%C3%A1n-gonz%C3%A1lez-9542365

10. It's pretty simple to conclude that they don't want to get overthrown when they're the ones in power.

 

By the way, I don't like Republicans, keep that in mind. My goal isn't to defend the Republicans, but to try to help people understand that they are both part of the same regime and same system, and thus they're going to have many similarities.


3: Tensions with Putin did escalate during that time, as well as the South China Sea issue. Valid reasons no to be on guard?

4: Did you see Trump recently put a tariff on solar panel parts? That was a solid blow

5: That doesn't mean they can't speak for the rights, and there are many democratic figures who aren't white males. Nancy Pelosi, Diane F, Warren.....

6: I simply find the stretching people do to say the two are the same to be foolish and shortsighted. See Uncharted and Pokemon comaprison early.

7: She's not exactly welcome in the other one, is she? Parties also have degrees: you have hawkish democrats and dovish Republicans, but they differ greatly from Hawkish republicans and dovish democrats

8: Connecticut doesn't have the same sort of religious right the rest of the nation has. 

10: That's clearly why they are harassing the heavily armed NRA. 



The Democratic Nintendo fan....is that a paradox? I'm fond of one of the more conservative companies in the industry, but I vote Liberally and view myself that way 90% of the time?