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Fake leadership from Dear Leader. Par for the course for West Korea's Golfer-In-Chief.



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Seeing as he wanted to revoke imaginary licenses from news outlets report negative news about him and wanted to ban "Fire and Fury", I wouldn't put it past him.



People need to stop getting provoked by Trump. He does this to upset you.



Hiku said:
DonFerrari said:

Yes, sure.. that certainly explain the big fall of credibility of a lot of media outlet.

What you're describing is attributed to people who don't understand what fake news is. Much thanks to Trump.
Among those who do, their credibility hasn't changed in any significant way. It has always been widely questionable to begin with. But not for fabricating stories, because that hasn't been a big problem.
A recent study showed that 42% of Republican voters said they would refer to a story they believe is real to be "fake news" if the story portrays their party in a negative light. For Democrats this number is 17%. https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2018/01/16/study-42-percent-of-republicans-believe-accurate-but-negative-stories-qualify-as-fake-news/?utm_term=.3f13ca556173

Essentially more than half of people are lying. This number should be 0% among members of both parties.
Fake news used to mean a news story that was made up, or made to look like it came from a legitimate news outlet.
But today, anything you don't like is labeled fake news. Or anything you question. Or a legitimate story that informs us of an unverified event.
An example is the news report that told us that Trump and Obama had been been briefed by intelligence agencies about the possibility of Russia having blackmail on Trump in the form of a tape of hookers peeing on a bed in his hotel room. But the intelligence agencies could not verify the existence of the tape. And the news report from from CNN made this very clear.
But because Trump insists that no such tape exists, he called that entire news report fake news, and slammed CNN. But their report was accurate. Trump and Obama were briefed on this matter, and John McCain confirmed that he received this report as well, and not knowing what to do with it he forwarded it to the FBI. After that it somehow leaked to the press.

So an accurate news report is called fake news by Trump, even though the article made it clear that the existence of the tape was never verified by the intelligence agencies. This was really when this whole "fake news" thing started blowing up, and it did so for the wrong reasons.

So now you have a lot of people calling every news story they don't like fake news, and other people sarcastically calling things fake news to make fun of the former group's use of the term.

And we have a lot of newspapers that give a lot of focus on the unverified part, making a narrative of it and a small print saying it isn't verified.

Sorry man, where I live there are at least 10 news a day trying to damage trump even thought we have bigger problems locally. Every single thing they can put against Trump they will, at the same time robbery and murder they will "protect the identity of the possible society victim".

So the "fake news" really isn't anymore just putting fake news (which usually are very evident) but the push media in general is putting to discredit the president, With like 90% of those news being irrelevant or "someone said so", which is ridiculous and take prime space from important reporting.

You talked about the seriour process of fact checking and source verification, sorry but that isn't really a priority anymore and even big outlets are doing a poor job on it and we have plethora examples on it... we even had one "fake news" that NK had doctored tapes of World Cup to declare internally that they were the champion... it was a so well done prank that all Brazilian newspaper put that as real (I believe some international done as well).

The dignity and credibility of newspaper and media outlets dropped when they started to compete against internet and rushing news, clickbaiting and etc.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Errorist76 said:
Nem said:

The only fake news there are come out of Trump and fox news often making stuff up.

 

This isn't anything new. Trumps feud with the London mayor and his cancelation of UK trips is well documented. I am very sorry that the only fake news are your fake news.

If you knew your buffon in chief in the slightest, you'd know this is obviously true.

You see what he's done...his blind followers already believe everything is fake news, when he actually is the one telling fake stories every day of the week. Same tactics that worked for Hitler and his "Lügenpresse". I'm sure the rumours are true that Trump read a book about Hitler, before coming to power. He's sure acting more and more like a dictator himself day by day.

You are completely unaware that Obama has put more Journalists in prison than any other President aren't you! Keep drinking that Liberal Kool-Aid though! And btw. Claiming Trump is anywhere near Hitler is disgusting! That just shows how brainwashed you are. What has he done that is equivalent to MILLIONS of Jews murdered! That's ignorant man!



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glimmer_of_hope said:
Errorist76 said:

You see what he's done...his blind followers already believe everything is fake news, when he actually is the one telling fake stories every day of the week. Same tactics that worked for Hitler and his "Lügenpresse". I'm sure the rumours are true that Trump read a book about Hitler, before coming to power. He's sure acting more and more like a dictator himself day by day.

You are completely unaware that Obama has put more Journalists in prison than any other President aren't you! Keep drinking that Liberal Kool-Aid though! And btw. Claiming Trump is anywhere near Hitler is disgusting! That just shows how brainwashed you are. What has he done that is equivalent to MILLIONS of Jews murdered! That's ignorant man!

And the arguments go back and fourth. Nobody should be comparing Trump to Hitler, no matter how much you hate him.



Made a bet with LipeJJ and HylianYoshi that the XB1 will reach 30 million before Wii U reaches 15 million. Loser has to get avatar picked by winner for 6 months (or if I lose, either 6 months avatar control for both Lipe and Hylian, or my patrick avatar comes back forever).

Hiku said:
DonFerrari said:

And we have a lot of newspapers that give a lot of focus on the unverified part, making a narrative of it and a small print saying it isn't verified.

Sorry man, where I live there are at least 10 news a day trying to damage trump even thought we have bigger problems locally. Every single thing they can put against Trump they will, at the same time robbery and murder they will "protect the identity of the possible society victim".

So the "fake news" really isn't anymore just putting fake news (which usually are very evident) but the push media in general is putting to discredit the president, With like 90% of those news being irrelevant or "someone said so", which is ridiculous and take prime space from important reporting.

You talked about the seriour process of fact checking and source verification, sorry but that isn't really a priority anymore and even big outlets are doing a poor job on it and we have plethora examples on it... we even had one "fake news" that NK had doctored tapes of World Cup to declare internally that they were the champion... it was a so well done prank that all Brazilian newspaper put that as real (I believe some international done as well).

The dignity and credibility of newspaper and media outlets dropped when they started to compete against internet and rushing news, clickbaiting and etc.

Unverified stories have always been incredibly important, and always will be. In every aspect of news, whether it's unverified weather reports to let you prepare for the possibility of a storm, to reports of a suspected assailant in an area so that people don't get in harms way before they're able to verify it with 100% accuracy, and it becomes too late.
This is not something new by any stretch of the imagination.

That there are bigger problems than Trump is certainly very debatable as it varies from story to story, and your perspective. Because the president's actions affects so many people, not just in the US but globally in the US as well, the importance of his decisions can be astronomically larger than most other stories. Though I agree that news outlets often focus on stories that have less priority. Because their main agenda is generally sensationalism. What sells the most. This has always been a big problem with them.

By the way I'm curious about that NK World Cup story. Do you have a link to it? I recall also hearing about them supposedly editing out Brazil's goals against them, but I didn't hear that they claimed they won the WC. And I don't remember where I heard this.

http://www.naosalvo.com.br/desafio-aceito-25-fazer-da-coreia-do-norte-campea-da-copa/

 

Say what you want but they crossed the point of unverified to posting anything and claiming unverified just to win clicks a long time ago. There is no reason to defend several of the new modus operandi from journalists nowadays.

About more serious problems, not sure where you are from, but Brazil have a lot of issues more important than to know "Trump throwed a lot of food for the japanase fish in an unrespectfull manner"... whish was also fake, because the PM of Japan done it seconds earlier and he just mimicked... that didn't stop a lot of major media outlets from reporting it.

At the same time we have an ex-president being under judgement for scandals of corrupution that cross the multibillion barrier.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

glimmer_of_hope said:
fielding88 said:

"Advisers who had been listening to the phone call are reported to have been "astonished" at the demands."

This is common. Advisors listen in on phone calls all the time.

Monkey Lizard Aliens who where invisible and listening to the conversation were "astonished" at the demands.

See how easy that is. This is literally how journalism is done these days.  

No it's not. 

Grow up. 



glimmer_of_hope said:
Errorist76 said:

You see what he's done...his blind followers already believe everything is fake news, when he actually is the one telling fake stories every day of the week. Same tactics that worked for Hitler and his "Lügenpresse". I'm sure the rumours are true that Trump read a book about Hitler, before coming to power. He's sure acting more and more like a dictator himself day by day.

You are completely unaware that Obama has put more Journalists in prison than any other President aren't you! Keep drinking that Liberal Kool-Aid though! And btw. Claiming Trump is anywhere near Hitler is disgusting! That just shows how brainwashed you are. What has he done that is equivalent to MILLIONS of Jews murdered! That's ignorant man!

He hasn't... yet. It is not garanteed he won't start a world war with his recklessness. 

He has though... discriminated immigrants, showed he is racist, has shown dictatorial tendencies, cheated on his wife with a porn star, showed not to have any respect for women, he is in an open fight with the media for not showering him with praise, he has obstructed justice, his closest aides commited treason (he himself, still to be determined), he has promised to pardon such traitors and himself, he is a liar with an average of 2000 lies a year (thats about 6 lies a day), he is actively trying to kill all life on earth by destroying the envyronment, etc. Honestly... he is not too far off. Actually, if the climate change gets to a no-return point, he will become one of the people more highly responsible for worldwide genocide. That put's Hitler to shame.

But, go on thinking he is harmless. What could go wrong?! Haha!



Oh my God I almost died of laughing 

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