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quickrick on 01 February 2018
RolStoppable said:
quickrick said:

its not perfect but its most  logical explanation, also this Considering that all 3 regions seem to be dead on halfway between the million marks (.5m) it seems likely the numbers were rounded to the nearest half million when making the graphs. but in the report they clearly say as of now, and from what i know, now only has one meaning.

Each graph has a line that spans 47 weeks. It can be ruled out that week 47 is the result of rounding. The figures of Media Create (Japan) and NPD (USA and Canada) line up with the graphs, so all decimals being .5m is merely coincidence.

we will know soon enough in NPD. all we can conclude from this is the 13 million figure is as of now, because nintendo states this, and they have reported numbers before out side of the briefing period.



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peachbuggy on 01 February 2018
trunkswd said:
RolStoppable said:

You should save yourself the time to make adjustments when there is no conclusive proof and you argue with yourself in the span of two sentences.

Good point. I just like having our figures as accurate as possible.

1.4m seems a little much, imo given Nintendo's usual stock situation.



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quickrick on 01 February 2018
RolStoppable said:
quickrick said:

we will know soon enough in NPD. all we can conclude from this is the 13 million figure is as of now, because nintendo states this, and they have reported numbers before out side of the briefing period.

Switch surpassed 13m and that's without the sales of regions outside of Europe, USA, Canada and Japan. Previously in this thread you said it's not hard to imagine that the rest of the world adds 700-900k additional units. So as of now (i.e. through week 47), Switch should be at the very least knocking on the door of 14m and therefore 13.4m by the end of 2017 is a good enough estimate for the time being.

thats true. it's probable that 10 million announcement also excluded other regions thats why the numbers make no sense, selling 3 million in 14 days based on the npd data we have is impossible ,nintendo really makes everything so hard for getting good sell through numbers with them



quickrick on 01 February 2018

Switch Hardware shipments WW LTD for end of 2017: Japan - 3.72 million shipped/3.3 sold million according to famitsu as of the 31 The Americas - 5.94 million shipped/NPD data 4.88 million sold, and in canada probably 400k.  Other - 5.2 million shipped. now this is interesting according tp the graph 3.5 sold in europe, but a huge shipment was sent here, i know its europe and ROTW/ excluding the americas.



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quickrick on 01 February 2018
RolStoppable said:
quickrick said:
Switch Hardware shipments WW LTD for end of 2017: Japan - 3.72 million shipped 3.3 sold million according to famitsu as of the 31 The Americas - 5.94 million shipped. npd data 4.88 million sold, and in canada probably 400k Other - 5.2 million shipped. now this was is interesting according tp the graph 3.5 sold in europe, but a huge shipment was sent here.

I haven't told you where the missing 500k units are coming from. I'd say from Europe despite what the European graph says.

The reason is that two generations ago Nintendo had the habit of only using selected countries to represent Europe in their briefings. UK, France, Germany, Spain, Italy, Belgium and Netherlands; maybe one more. They deemed that sufficient because Europe had various official sales trackers, not every country had coverage, and the countries Nintendo showed accounted for 80-85% of European sales, so they painted a clear enough picture of what they wanted to convey.

If Nintendo now compares Switch to historical performances in the European market, there's a good chance that they'll have to default to the Wii data they did have back in the day in order to create an honest comparison. But Europe has a lot of small countries and the amount of disposable income has increased in eastern Europe, so nowadays it's a bigger market than a decade ago. Add all of those countries up and you get in the ballpark of 500k+ Switch units that are not accounted for in Nintendo's historical comparison of European sales.

As for a breakdown of shipments and sell-through per region:

Japan - 3.72m shipped; ~3.3-3.4m sold through; ~300k units in stores or transit.
Americas - 5.94m shipped; ~5.2m sold through in USA and Canada; ~300k in Latin America; ~400k units in stores or transit.
Other - 5.20m shipped; ~4m sold through in Europe; ~110k in South Korea, ~300k in Australia and Asia; ~800k units in stores or transit.

That amounts to a difference between sell-through and shipments of ~1.5m when rest of the world sales are put at ~710k units. 14.86m - 1.5m = 13.36m.

Taking the above sell-through estimates and adding three weeks, we get:

Japan - 3.5m
USA + Canada - 5.5m
Europe - 4.2m
Total - 13.2m

Switch surpassed 13m units of sell-through through week 47 while rest of the world sales are excluded. That's my explanation how all the numbers and statements add up.

i honestly think nintendo is hiding the exact figures because they are no longer the fastest selling console anymore. they sure didn't exclude any region in the 10 million announcement, it shouldn't be hard to get internal sales figures. sony does it all the time, and nintendo did it December.

https://www.nintendo.co.jp/corporate/release/en/2017/171212.html



PortisheadBiscuit on 01 February 2018

quickrick said: 

i honestly think nintendo is hiding the exact figures because they are no longer the fastest selling console anymore



quickrick on 02 February 2018
trunkswd said:
zorg1000 said:

Maybe read that over again.

13 million without Latin America & parts of Asia.

Might need to come down a little but nothing major.

I've adjusted the Switch down slightly in Europe. Still well above where it was before the adjustments I did yesterday. 

ok so i have the ultimate proof you are way over tracking switch, sony announced more then 70.6 million as of december 3. nintendo announced  announced 10 million as of december 10, sony went on to sell 3 million for the holidays with there 73.6 announcement ,so basically nintendo out sold ps4 by 400k, with also a week missing which is around 800-900k of sales, that makes 0 sense.



xMetroid on 02 February 2018
quickrick said:
RolStoppable said:

I haven't told you where the missing 500k units are coming from. I'd say from Europe despite what the European graph says.

The reason is that two generations ago Nintendo had the habit of only using selected countries to represent Europe in their briefings. UK, France, Germany, Spain, Italy, Belgium and Netherlands; maybe one more. They deemed that sufficient because Europe had various official sales trackers, not every country had coverage, and the countries Nintendo showed accounted for 80-85% of European sales, so they painted a clear enough picture of what they wanted to convey.

If Nintendo now compares Switch to historical performances in the European market, there's a good chance that they'll have to default to the Wii data they did have back in the day in order to create an honest comparison. But Europe has a lot of small countries and the amount of disposable income has increased in eastern Europe, so nowadays it's a bigger market than a decade ago. Add all of those countries up and you get in the ballpark of 500k+ Switch units that are not accounted for in Nintendo's historical comparison of European sales.

As for a breakdown of shipments and sell-through per region:

Japan - 3.72m shipped; ~3.3-3.4m sold through; ~300k units in stores or transit.
Americas - 5.94m shipped; ~5.2m sold through in USA and Canada; ~300k in Latin America; ~400k units in stores or transit.
Other - 5.20m shipped; ~4m sold through in Europe; ~110k in South Korea, ~300k in Australia and Asia; ~800k units in stores or transit.

That amounts to a difference between sell-through and shipments of ~1.5m when rest of the world sales are put at ~710k units. 14.86m - 1.5m = 13.36m.

Taking the above sell-through estimates and adding three weeks, we get:

Japan - 3.5m
USA + Canada - 5.5m
Europe - 4.2m
Total - 13.2m

Switch surpassed 13m units of sell-through through week 47 while rest of the world sales are excluded. That's my explanation how all the numbers and statements add up.

i honestly think nintendo is hiding the exact figures because they are no longer the fastest selling console anymore. they sure didn't exclude any region in the 10 million announcement, it shouldn't be hard to get internal sales figures. sony does it all the time, and nintendo did it December.

https://www.nintendo.co.jp/corporate/release/en/2017/171212.html

Honestly that's pretty much their last concern right now. Switch doing amazing and I really don't think that's what is holding them back.



quickrick on 02 February 2018
xMetroid said:
quickrick said:

i honestly think nintendo is hiding the exact figures because they are no longer the fastest selling console anymore. they sure didn't exclude any region in the 10 million announcement, it shouldn't be hard to get internal sales figures. sony does it all the time, and nintendo did it December.

https://www.nintendo.co.jp/corporate/release/en/2017/171212.html

Honestly that's pretty much their last concern right now. Switch doing amazing and I really don't think that's what is holding them back.

its not uncommon practice, they just announced fastest selling console ever, so they might to keep the data on the low for a while, if they are no longer the fastest. also for the new page.

i have the ultimate proof you are way over tracking switch, sony announced more then 70.6 million as of december 3. nintendo announced  announced 10 million as of december 10, sony went on to sell 3 million for the holidays with there 73.6 announcement ,so basically nintendo out sold ps4 by 400k, with also a week missing which is around 800-900k of sales, that makes 0 sense. and your data says switch out sold ps4 by 560k not 1.3 mllion.