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zorg1000 on 02 February 2018
StarDoor said:
quickrick said:

its always over the number  in every announcement, same thing for sony.  its safe to assume on a important 10 million announcement, it would be very close to 10 million as that a announcement  is a huge PR piece and they want to get it out asap. according to vgchartz data switch only out sold ps4 by 560k, in december.

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

Let's look at all of the sell-through announcements in 2017:

Sony said that PS4 had sold 53.4 million units as of January 1st, which was a Sunday.

Sony said that PS4 had sold 60.4 million units as of June 11th, which was a Sunday.

Sony said that PS4 had sold over 70.6 million units as of December 3rd, which was a Sunday.

Nintendo said that Switch had sold over 10 million units as of December 10th, which was a Sunday.

Sony said that PS4 had sold 73.6 million units as of December 31st, which was a Sunday.

Hell, back when Sony announced that PS4 had passed 10 million units, it was as of August 10th, 2014, which was a Sunday.

Companies run on weekly schedules. You even tried to bring up Nintendo's quarterly presentation in this thread, which showed Switch's sell-through on a weekly basis. But now, when it's convenient for you, you're going to say that it's actually tracked daily, because you want Switch's sales to be as low as possible. Pathetic.

I was going to reply to him but you pretty much said everything that needed to be said.



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abronn627 on 02 February 2018
quickrick said:
zorg1000 said:

This is like the 40th time you have ignored that its not 10 million, its OVER 10 MILLION. By how much, we do not know.

Also according to NPD+Media Create, Switch outsold PS4 by over 1 million in US+Japan in December.

Its also safe to assume it outsold it in Canada since it was the best selling console of the year there.

Its also safe to assume it outsold it in S. Korea since it was its launch month and did 110k.

Its also highly likely it outsold it in France in Dec.

 

It is not at all unlikely for Switch to have outsold PS4 by over 1 million in December.

its always over the number  in every announcement, same thing for sony.  its safe to assume on a important 10 million announcement, it would be very close to 10 million as that a announcement i's a huge PR piece and they want to get it out asap. according to vgchartz data switch only out sold ps4 by 560k, in december. remember were only talking from december 10-24 of holiday shopping to sell 3.4 million just seems impossible. looking at nintendo chart in europe ps4 is selling way better there it's no contest.

Sony and Nintendo, like many companies, are reporting their numbers using fiscal periods, not just a random date. Based on their fiscal reports, their fiscal week are from monday to sunday. They said that as of December 10th, the console has surpassed the 10m units sold, meaning that during the week ending the 10th they have reach the milestone. You can’t use this number as fact because nobody know when the 10 m was achieved, this possibility lies between the 4th and the 10th. If it was the 10th, they would have said “on the”, not “as of”, meaning they’re talking about a tracking period.



zorg1000 on 02 February 2018
abronn627 said:
quickrick said:

its always over the number  in every announcement, same thing for sony.  its safe to assume on a important 10 million announcement, it would be very close to 10 million as that a announcement i's a huge PR piece and they want to get it out asap. according to vgchartz data switch only out sold ps4 by 560k, in december. remember were only talking from december 10-24 of holiday shopping to sell 3.4 million just seems impossible. looking at nintendo chart in europe ps4 is selling way better there it's no contest.

Sony and Nintendo, like many companies, are reporting their numbers using fiscal periods, not just a random date. Based on their fiscal reports, their fiscal week are from monday to sunday. They said that as of December 10th, the console has surpassed the 10m units sold, meaning that during the week ending the 10th they have reach the milestone. You can’t use this number as fact because nobody know when the 10 m was achieved, this possibility lies between the 4th and the 10th. If it was the 10th, they would have said “on the”, not “as of”, meaning they’re talking about a tracking period.

In other words, it is not out of the question that Switch was a few 100k above 10 million as of Dec 10.



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abronn627 on 02 February 2018
zorg1000 said:
abronn627 said:

Sony and Nintendo, like many companies, are reporting their numbers using fiscal periods, not just a random date. Based on their fiscal reports, their fiscal week are from monday to sunday. They said that as of December 10th, the console has surpassed the 10m units sold, meaning that during the week ending the 10th they have reach the milestone. You can’t use this number as fact because nobody know when the 10 m was achieved, this possibility lies between the 4th and the 10th. If it was the 10th, they would have said “on the”, not “as of”, meaning they’re talking about a tracking period.

In other words, it is not out of the question that Switch was a few 100k above 10 million as of Dec 10.

The fact they said “surpassed” is already a confirmation of this.



quickrick on 02 February 2018
abronn627 said:
zorg1000 said:

In other words, it is not out of the question that Switch was a few 100k above 10 million as of Dec 10.

The fact they said “surpassed” is already a confirmation of this.

thats not confirmation of anything please, they could have surpassed by 10k, and they would still use same word, this is a fact. 



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zorg1000 on 02 February 2018
quickrick said:
abronn627 said:

The fact they said “surpassed” is already a confirmation of this.

thats not confirmation of anything please, they could have surpassed by 10k, and they would still use same word, this is a fact. 

Regardless, why are you so adamant on using exactly 10m?



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quickrick on 02 February 2018
StarDoor said:
quickrick said:

its always over the number  in every announcement, same thing for sony.  its safe to assume on a important 10 million announcement, it would be very close to 10 million as that a announcement  is a huge PR piece and they want to get it out asap. according to vgchartz data switch only out sold ps4 by 560k, in december.

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

Let's look at all of the sell-through announcements in 2017:

Sony said that PS4 had sold 53.4 million units as of January 1st, which was a Sunday.

Sony said that PS4 had sold 60.4 million units as of June 11th, which was a Sunday.

Sony said that PS4 had sold over 70.6 million units as of December 3rd, which was a Sunday.

Nintendo said that Switch had sold over 10 million units as of December 10th, which was a Sunday.

Sony said that PS4 had sold 73.6 million units as of December 31st, which was a Sunday.

Hell, back when Sony announced that PS4 had passed 10 million units, it was as of August 10th, 2014, which was a Sunday.

Companies run on weekly schedules. You even tried to bring up Nintendo's quarterly presentation in this thread, which showed Switch's sell-through on a weekly basis. But now, when it's convenient for you, you're going to say that it's actually tracked daily, because you want Switch's sales to be as low as possible. Pathetic.

i'm just going by data we have the numbers don't make sense, the most logical number for switch is 12.7-12.8 million, if they use 10 million we have to assume its very close to 10 million, the other stuff i have no idea what you are talking about.



zorg1000 on 02 February 2018
quickrick said:
StarDoor said:

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

Let's look at all of the sell-through announcements in 2017:

Sony said that PS4 had sold 53.4 million units as of January 1st, which was a Sunday.

Sony said that PS4 had sold 60.4 million units as of June 11th, which was a Sunday.

Sony said that PS4 had sold over 70.6 million units as of December 3rd, which was a Sunday.

Nintendo said that Switch had sold over 10 million units as of December 10th, which was a Sunday.

Sony said that PS4 had sold 73.6 million units as of December 31st, which was a Sunday.

Hell, back when Sony announced that PS4 had passed 10 million units, it was as of August 10th, 2014, which was a Sunday.

Companies run on weekly schedules. You even tried to bring up Nintendo's quarterly presentation in this thread, which showed Switch's sell-through on a weekly basis. But now, when it's convenient for you, you're going to say that it's actually tracked daily, because you want Switch's sales to be as low as possible. Pathetic.

i'm just going by data we have the numbers don't make sense, the most logical number for switch is 12.7-12.8 million, if they use 10 million we have to assume its very close to 10 million, the other stuff i have no idea what you are talking about.

Just like how over 4.8m in the US meant close to 4.8m, right?

Oh wait! We found out it was actually 4.88m so your entire argument is thrown out the window.



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abronn627 on 02 February 2018
quickrick said:
abronn627 said:

The fact they said “surpassed” is already a confirmation of this.

thats not confirmation of anything please, they could have surpassed by 10k, and they would still use same word, this is a fact. 

It’s as much a confirmation than saying that they’re at 10m on the 10th when they clearly said that it was over that. This number could have been done on any day before said date, so you can’t use this as a fact. We can only speculate on this.



quickrick on 02 February 2018
zorg1000 said:
quickrick said:

i'm just going by data we have the numbers don't make sense, the most logical number for switch is 12.7-12.8 million, if they use 10 million we have to assume its very close to 10 million, the other stuff i have no idea what you are talking about.

Just like how over 4.8m in the US meant close to 4.8m, right?

Oh wait! We found out it was actually 4.88m so your entire argument is thrown out the window.

We have numbers announcement of 2.6 million where it was actually 2.6 million on the head, but no i'm  not talking bout measly  80k in 4,8 million, but if they announce over 10 million, or 4.8, yea you can expect any where from 10-99k difference that should be obvious. like announcing over 70.6 million, i don't expect it be over by 200k.