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JWeinCom on 21 January 2018
KLAMarine said:

JWeinCom said:
Now that said, the reason I know Wiimote is no gimmick is because I WANT to grab that Wiimote controller on everytime I sit down to game now. It has made a 3 years old game I had gotten completely bored to death of (Resident Evil 4) a new and addictive nature making the game better than it was at vanilla release or any other time I've played the game. Again the same deal with Metroid Prime Trilogy, giving the game a totally new level of addiction. Somehow playing on the pleasure centers of the brain in a massive way.


I'm not saying that VR is a gimmick, but if your argument is that it's not a gimmick because you like it, that can basically be applied to anything. And yeah, I genuinely do prefer Wiimotes for quite a few genres.

Yes! RE4 on Wii demonstrated how to do motion controls right!

I absolutely LOVE RE4 on Wii and it demonstrated that a pointer function has its uses. It makes perfect sense: a game with aiming in it stands to benefit from a peripheral that can aim.

The only problem I have with Resident Evil 4 on the Wii is that the motion controls are actually too accurate. Getting headshots and knocking knives out of the air becomes trivial.  Don't think that I could have unlocked the handcannon without them though.

John2290 said:
JWeinCom said:
Now that said, the reason I know Wiimote is no gimmick is because I WANT to grab that Wiimote controller on everytime I sit down to game now. It has made a 3 years old game I had gotten completely bored to death of (Resident Evil 4) a new and addictive nature making the game better than it was at vanilla release or any other time I've played the game. Again the same deal with Metroid Prime Trilogy, giving the game a totally new level of addiction. Somehow playing on the pleasure centers of the brain in a massive way.


I'm not saying that VR is a gimmick, but if your argument is that it's not a gimmick because you like it, that can basically be applied to anything. And yeah, I genuinely do prefer Wiimotes for quite a few genres.

You totally ignored all my other points. And motion controls were never a gimmick, they are still alive and well today and are used by many, Even the switch has kept motion controls as well as the dualshock 4. 

The only other point I saw was that you could use it for porn, and a claim about how "the vast portion" of people think it's how games should be played.  Considering that had no evidence to back it up, I ignored it.

You're basically just talking about how you like VR, and if you do, great, but you didn't really define any criteria for a gimmick or explain how VR does or does not fit.  As far as I can tell from your post, a gimmick is something that people don't like that isn't useful for porn.



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habam on 21 January 2018

I dont think this poll makes much sense. Many people on the internet will just say they have tried it (if they think they dislike it) to make their opinion more valid.

So this "I have tried it" doesnt make any sense scince haters will just click on it, no matter if they have tried it or not.

Also VR is pretty big, some phone based VR is alot different from high end VR.

Just check "VR Reaction Videos" on youtube. Most people that actually have tried it wont say its a gimmick.

Here are some: (opinions and expierence of the people are usually in the last 1-2 minutes of the videos)

 

 

 

 

 

So why do you make a poll where people can just lie if there are so many videos where people that actually really tried VR in a good setup and with good games share their opinions and expierence on youtube ?

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konnichiwa on 21 January 2018

Well I love VR but it's nothing new and it is still not has a mass appeal.

I know I am probably one of the older guys but I played VR games in the 90's but people forgot about it because it is always a repeat of the same issues.

Vr helmets  release => the biggest newest games it can't handle so people play demo's or not so demanding games => people hope the next helmets get cheaper => sometimes they get cheaper but again games get more demanding so people end up playing less demanding games. 

The gap is getting smaller but I hope this time it will not end up being a gimmick.






Cerebralbore101 on 21 January 2018

We don't need Oculus controllers or a more expensive HMD. Motion controls are usually bad for games, hence Oculus controllers are bad for games. VR will take off when it's affordable to the average consumer. Those Oculus controllers make the whole setup too expensive for most people. PS5 will likely use a VR headset that isn't much different than the current PSVR headset. Why? Because the people that already have PSVR will expect PS5 to be compatible with current gen PSVR headsets. This will make the base PSVR userbase much bigger than any other headset used on the system. So even if Sony came out with a PSVR2 to sell with the PS5, the standard PSVR would still work fine.

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Megiddo on 21 January 2018

I'm just waiting for there to be enough good games that actually utilize VR to its highest potential.



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KLAMarine on 21 January 2018
JWeinCom said:
KLAMarine said:

Yes! RE4 on Wii demonstrated how to do motion controls right!

I absolutely LOVE RE4 on Wii and it demonstrated that a pointer function has its uses. It makes perfect sense: a game with aiming in it stands to benefit from a peripheral that can aim.

The only problem I have with Resident Evil 4 on the Wii is that the motion controls are actually too accurate. Getting headshots and knocking knives out of the air becomes trivial.  Don't think that I could have unlocked the handcannon without them though.

But it feels so good to have so much power over masses of undead! They all fall to the mighty Leon boot!

 

Cannot wait for RE4 on Switch. Any day now, Capcom.



habam on 21 January 2018
Ka-pi96 said:

It wouldn't make me not buy a console, no. It certainly doesn't make it attractive though. And no, I don't own a Switch. I have no plans to buy one in the foreseeable future either, but it's definitely not something I'd rule out, especially after Pokemon releases.

And at least my comments about VR aren't arrogantly stating things like "this is how games are meant to be played". No, those of us who aren't using VR aren't playing games wrong. Games are meant to be played in whatever way people want to play them. If you only ever want to play them in VR, fine have fun, that doesn't make it true for anyone else though.

It definitly is a vastly inferior way to play most games. Just played Skyrim yesterday after a 3 week break (for whatever reason) and it just blew me away right again. its so good its incredible. I kinda feel sorry for the people that cant play this game that way, they are definitly missing out



konnichiwa on 21 January 2018
Ka-pi96 said:
John2290 said:

Would you not buy a console because the userbase are fanatics? Do you own a switch by chance? Your comments about VR are always very much from the point of a jaded old bear, stuck in his ways. Embrace.

It wouldn't make me not buy a console, no. It certainly doesn't make it attractive though. And no, I don't own a Switch. I have no plans to buy one in the foreseeable future either, but it's definitely not something I'd rule out, especially after Pokemon releases.

And at least my comments about VR aren't arrogantly stating things like "this is how games are meant to be played". No, those of us who aren't using VR aren't playing games wrong. Games are meant to be played in whatever way people want to play them. If you only ever want to play them in VR, fine have fun, that doesn't make it true for anyone else though.

Well you aren't playing them wrong, I would never say that, the experience is just weaker. Skyrim VR/Fallout 4 vive are more fun, I love to check out the details in the world.   Accidentaly falling from a cliff shocks me while in non vr it never did.






Peh on 21 January 2018
John2290 said:
Peh said:

Probably gonna get me a HTC Vive next month, arf.

Edit: I'm gonna wait for the HTC Vive Pro now, arf. 

Probably best to wait for the Vive pro, yes but seeing as the headset will be available just on it's own and you can upgrade and keep all your sensors if you have a way to sell the OG vive, you could buy in now and upgrade at a later date with little loss depending on resale value or perhaps buy the Samsung Oddessy now which will sell in 7 months easily for much less of a loss. 

Oh and how long does the "arf" have to last for, btw? A full on year?

So far, the HTC Vive costs 699 €.. .I don't know what the Pro will cost and how long the wait gonna be, arf :/ It's really difficult to say wether I should join the scene now or later, arf. I planned on buying the Vive at the end of february, arf. I will see what will happen until then, arf. 

Arf lasts until the end of january, arf :3



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habam on 21 January 2018
John2290 said:

I wanted to separate this topic from my VR thread because I don't feel it fits. I see a lot of people equating VR to 3D or other such gimmicks, these people have obviously not tried Virtual reality proper.

If you want to know what other people think about VR just invite your friends, let them try them your PSVR and ask them. I guarantee you, the results will be vastly different from this poll.