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DarthMetalliCube said:

I think the problem with Rey stems from a lack of real character, as well as true obstacles. I mean, obviously the force enables certain people who are "force sensitive" (since I guess we're tossing the concept of the Jedi out the window now), so of course she's gonna tear shit up. But I think the issue with her is we don't really see her undergo the hero's journey of overcoming real weaknesses, obstacles, conflict (unless you count her brief infatuation w/ Kylo and trying to turn him for some reason), and thus she just feels very wooden to me.

It also almost feels as if Disney wanted to make her as "neutral" and without a real personality as possible so that people can place themselves in her shoes and feel like they're her, but that's not what making a good, interesting protagonist is about IMO, it's about relating to them on a personal level. I just don't really get that sense with Rey. 

Whether you interpret that as being "Mary Sue" is up to you to decide because the definition seems somewhat fluid and relative, but all I know is that's the way I feel about her character.

Not only is she overly capable, there's not enough quiet moments with her. Luke had plenty of them in ANH and we the audience get to know him. Rey's mostly just running from one noisy battle to the next and getting upgrades handed to her along the way.



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mZuzek said:
KLAMarine said:

Sorry, what answer would that be by the way?

Yes, of course. Incredibly fruitless to debate this.

Not really. There's still people who disagree with what she is. They just say anything at the moment. Even the actress who plays as rey doesn't believe that rey is a sue. It deserves discussion. 😉



I mean, she's basically the girl version of the MC in Sword Art Online, who most people seem to agree is a Mary Sue (or Gary Stu or Marty Sue or whatever). I don't really see how she wouldn't be. Sure she has a background that makes her that way, but she's also a fictional character that's given that background for a reason. Her story was easily the weakest part of the last movie I watched, and I could practically see a giant Bugs Bunny hand coming down with an eraser to get rid of any potential struggle she might have to deal with.

That being said, I haven't seen the new Star War, so maybe she's been given more actual struggles or character development, but she certainly fits the definition in the last one I watched.



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Only seen the first film so far, but definitely!



yes

It's like the Force is controlling her. Most of the time she does something MarySueish even she doesn't know what the fuck is happening and is amazed at herself.



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Well, obviously. It's a Disney movie. All main hero characters are Mary Sues and Marty Stus, what did you expect?



Yes.

I cant fathom how anyone can say otherwise.

It could of course be put down as lazy screenwriting, but the character itself was clearly designed to be a miss know it all.



https://youtu.be/CALcI-4vM8E

This explains it very well, also points out another major star wars character as a Marty stu.. Phantom menace anakin.

I haven't seen nor heard a better explanation than this, nor a more balanced or reasonable one that covers the other bases (it not being sex is, daisy ridley doing a good job etc)

This is even before TLJ, Where the Mary Sue-Ness is just magnified.

I find myself wishing this new trilogy didn't exist, and I quite liked the prequels despite their flaws.

Post phantom menace the Marty - stu Ness of an akin was bearable, he had decent training and there were already 4 movies establishing he was very very powerful, and even then he was more fallable than Rey.

Anyway, just my two cents



No. Moving on...



Well, she is an empowered girl, she can do anything. Get up with the times.



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