Funny enough the Saiyan on your sig is kinda Mary Stu (as well as Satan's daughter).

She and her sister goes from not knowing Super Saiyan form to being on terms with goku on blue saiyan... that was to much of a power spike on short notice... but DBS have a lot of strange power spikes.

To suggest Rey is an excessively idealized female character and she sucks for that but then to deny Neo, Harry Potter or James Bond are excessively idealized males characters already proves my point, most of this complainst have a base on pure sexism, with her people tries to find every single little detail of why she is a Mary Sue, with them everybody does the exact opposite, try to find every little detail to prove why they aren't Marty Stus even when they clearly are if we apply the same values for all cases.

Harry fails, multiple times he relies on others, he lets others down, people die because of him, he is helpless to save people he cares about.  He is terrified and need his parents and loved ones as he goes to die.  He has abilities and strengths, but he also struggles and weaknesses.  I was always good at art and writing as a child, but I struggled in mathematics no matter how hard I tried.  A character can have a specific positive aspect that makes them of interest.  It adds complexity and interest when they have to deal with real challenges with real consequences.  Life is hard, filled with false starts and failures, its how we respond to this that defines us.  

You throw around "sexism" casually as a lazy argument to poison the well of other members here.  You are the most sexist person I've seen in these threads. Treating women like fragile porcelain dolls who cannot handle criticism.  We ask to be held to the same standards as men, not just the advantages they get, but the responsibilities as well.  Major characters like Rey are massive missed opportunities for women and girls to look toward in fiction.  In real life the disillusionment will come when you fail, and fail again, and you have no excuse and your job fires you because accountability exists.  Strong women, or people in general, are forged through their trials and coming to terms with any limitations they have.

To suggest Rey is an excessively idealized female character and she sucks for that but then to deny Neo, Harry Potter or James Bond are excessively idealized males characters already proves my point, most of this complainst have a base on pure sexism, with her people tries to find every single little detail of why she is a Mary Sue, with them everybody does the exact opposite, try to find every little detail to prove why they aren't Marty Stus even when they clearly are if we apply the same values for all cases.

You are not in a position to deem constructive criticism as sexist when you've been blindly throwing that term around too often. If I see you doing this again or something of similar crass behavior, you will be moderated.

And to put my own 2 cents on the conversation, I see a major divide between how you argue and how other people argue. You claim that people are holding double standards as they deny that Neo, Harry Potter, or James Bond are excessively idealized male characters. However, you did not elaborate any further from that, which makes your argument a Proof by Assertion fallacy. In contrast, the people who argued that these male characters are not Gary Stus gave their evidence that support their opinions.

So are you threatening to ban me for saying it like it is? That's a new low

If Rey was a man we wouldn't be having this debate and you all know it, now permaban me if you want.

You are not in a position to deem constructive criticism as sexist when you've been blindly throwing that term around too often. If I see you doing this again or something of similar crass behavior, you will be moderated.

And to put my own 2 cents on the conversation, I see a major divide between how you argue and how other people argue. You claim that people are holding double standards as they deny that Neo, Harry Potter, or James Bond are excessively idealized male characters. However, you did not elaborate any further from that, which makes your argument a Proof by Assertion fallacy. In contrast, the people who argued that these male characters are not Gary Stus gave their evidence that support their opinions.

You are not in a position to deem constructive criticism as sexist when you've been blindly throwing that term around too often. If I see you doing this again or something of similar crass behavior, you will be moderated.

And to put my own 2 cents on the conversation, I see a major divide between how you argue and how other people argue. You claim that people are holding double standards as they deny that Neo, Harry Potter, or James Bond are excessively idealized male characters. However, you did not elaborate any further from that, which makes your argument a Proof by Assertion fallacy. In contrast, the people who argued that these male characters are not Gary Stus gave their evidence that support their opinions.

Please respond constructively to Nymeria's excellent post instead of throwing around empty arguments. I've seen you make well thought posts before so I know you are capable of it.