Is Rey from Star Wars a Mary Sue?

[Goodnightmoon]

Aura7541 said:

Goodnightmoon said:

To suggest Rey is an excessively idealized female character and she sucks for that but then to deny Neo, Harry Potter or James Bond are excessively idealized males characters already proves my point, most of this complainst have a base on pure sexism, with her people tries to find every single little detail of why she is a Mary Sue, with them everybody does the exact opposite, try to find every little detail to prove why they aren't Marty Stus even when they clearly are if we apply the same values for all cases.

You are not in a position to deem constructive criticism as sexist when you've been blindly throwing that term around too often. If I see you doing this again or something of similar crass behavior, you will be moderated.

And to put my own 2 cents on the conversation, I see a major divide between how you argue and how other people argue. You claim that people are holding double standards as they deny that Neo, Harry Potter, or James Bond are excessively idealized male characters. However, you did not elaborate any further from that, which makes your argument a Proof by Assertion fallacy. In contrast, the people who argued that these male characters are not Gary Stus gave their evidence that support their opinions.

So are you threatening to ban me for saying it like it is? That's a new low

If Rey was a man we wouldn't be having this debate and you all know it, now permaban me if you want.