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pokoko said:
SpokenTruth said:

The Boy Scouts changed policy to allow girls.  They were not forced to do so because someone sued.

The Boy Scouts certainly have been sued to allow girls to join.

They won all lawsuits against them for it. In fact, the last time they were sued for it was in 1991 and the lawsuit was filed on the basis the girl was already attending certain cub scout events and felt she should have been included in the full boy scout summer camps.

It has been a steady change in policy over the past several years.   First, homosexual boys were allowed, then homosexual counselors were allowed.  Now girls are allowed. 

thismeintiel said:

Sure, it wasn't a specific lawsuit that caused them to change.  But, to say that they weren't forced is a little disingenuous.  In this PC climate, and the threat of looming lawsuits as the PC culture turned their full guns at them, there was really no other option.

See above.  Again, they were not under enough pressure to force this.  It's simply part of the progression the organization has done over the past few years.



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Shouldn't this be in Nintendo discussion? I never knew they were dedicating Parks to certain characters alone.



SpokenTruth said:
pokoko said:

The Boy Scouts certainly have been sued to allow girls to join.

They won all lawsuits against them for it. In fact, the last time they were sued for it was in 1991 and the lawsuit was filed on the basis the girl was already attending certain cub scout events and felt she should have been included in the full boy scout summer camps.

It has been a steady change in policy over the past several years.   First, homosexual boys were allowed, then homosexual counselors were allowed.  Now girls are allowed. 

thismeintiel said:

Sure, it wasn't a specific lawsuit that caused them to change.  But, to say that they weren't forced is a little disingenuous.  In this PC climate, and the threat of looming lawsuits as the PC culture turned their full guns at them, there was really no other option.

See above.  Again, they were not under enough pressure to force this.  It's simply part of the progression the organization has done over the past few years.

Surely you can't be serious? A lawsuit from over 25 years ago? Have you even been watching the rise of the PC warriors/culture in just the last 5 years? People have lost their jobs for allegations, or for just voicing their own political opinions that weren't left enough, or for saying a phrase that the PC crowd misconstrued as offensive. Of course, they were under so much pressure they had to change. It was only a matter of time before the PCs were going to turn their full attention on them. 



vivster said:
Teeqoz said:

Maybe I just frequent the wrong social circles/websites, but this is the first time I've ever heard a complaint about male or female only clubs :-|

I even heard of some male prostitutes allowing only female customers. It's really time to stop this inequality.

The argument will be made its for religious reasons and it will go to the supreme court.



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SpokenTruth said:
pokoko said:

The Boy Scouts certainly have been sued to allow girls to join.

They won all lawsuits against them for it. In fact, the last time they were sued for it was in 1991 and the lawsuit was filed on the basis the girl was already attending certain cub scout events and felt she should have been included in the full boy scout summer camps.

It has been a steady change in policy over the past several years.   First, homosexual boys were allowed, then homosexual counselors were allowed.  Now girls are allowed. 

I only said they were sued, which is true.  A strawman isn't going to do you any good with that.  The rest of the argument is entirely on your side.  



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thismeintiel said:
SpokenTruth said:

They won all lawsuits against them for it. In fact, the last time they were sued for it was in 1991 and the lawsuit was filed on the basis the girl was already attending certain cub scout events and felt she should have been included in the full boy scout summer camps.

It has been a steady change in policy over the past several years.   First, homosexual boys were allowed, then homosexual counselors were allowed.  Now girls are allowed. 

See above.  Again, they were not under enough pressure to force this.  It's simply part of the progression the organization has done over the past few years.

Surely you can't be serious? A lawsuit from over 25 years ago? Have you even been watching the rise of the PC warriors/culture in just the last 5 years? People have lost their jobs for allegations, or for just voicing their own political opinions that weren't left enough, or for saying a phrase that the PC crowd misconstrued as offensive. Of course, they were under so much pressure they had to change. It was only a matter of time before the PCs were going to turn their full attention on them. 

The last time they were sued to include girls was 25 years ago.  They have been progressing towards the inclusion of girls for nearly a decade. Homosexual boys in 2013, homosexual counselors in 2015 and now girls. Everything you just said was speculation.



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The next Rosa Parks will be a straight, white male. They are now the most persecuted group in the west. 



SpokenTruth said:
thismeintiel said:

Surely you can't be serious? A lawsuit from over 25 years ago? Have you even been watching the rise of the PC warriors/culture in just the last 5 years? People have lost their jobs for allegations, or for just voicing their own political opinions that weren't left enough, or for saying a phrase that the PC crowd misconstrued as offensive. Of course, they were under so much pressure they had to change. It was only a matter of time before the PCs were going to turn their full attention on them. 

The last time they were sued to include girls was 25 years ago.  They have been progressing towards the inclusion of girls for nearly a decade. Homosexual boys in 2013, homosexual counselors in 2015 and now girls. Everything you just said was speculation.

I'm just observing what's going on in the world. And the change in 2015 was forced upon them, as they were being faced with several state investigations and lawsuits. They made it all go away, at least for a couple of years. Highly doubt  it's any different here. 



thismeintiel said:
SpokenTruth said:

The last time they were sued to include girls was 25 years ago.  They have been progressing towards the inclusion of girls for nearly a decade. Homosexual boys in 2013, homosexual counselors in 2015 and now girls. Everything you just said was speculation.

I'm just observing what's going on in the world. And the change in 2015 was forced upon them, as they were being faced with several state investigations and lawsuits. They made it all go away, at least for a couple of years. Highly doubt  it's any different here. 

I just told you the last time they were sued for discrimination against girls was 25 years ago.  The last state ruling came in 1998 which noted that the Boy Scouts of America are a membership organization, not a business, and therefore can set its own membership criteria. 

In other words, their organizational status gave them legal grounds to deny the inclusion of girls from joining.  No matter how much pressure is placed upon them, they cannot be legally forced to include girls.  So their policy change to include girls was based on the interests of the organization, not fear for being sued.



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SpokenTruth said:
thismeintiel said:

I'm just observing what's going on in the world. And the change in 2015 was forced upon them, as they were being faced with several state investigations and lawsuits. They made it all go away, at least for a couple of years. Highly doubt  it's any different here. 

I just told you the last time they were sued for discrimination against girls was 25 years ago.  The last state ruling came in 1998 which noted that the Boy Scouts of America are a membership organization, not a business, and therefore can set its own membership criteria. 

In other words, their organizational status gave them legal grounds to deny the inclusion of girls from joining.  No matter how much pressure is placed upon them, they cannot be legally forced to include girls.  So their policy change to include girls was based on the interests of the organization, not fear for being sued.

My point is the political climate has changed. What happened in 1991 doesn't change the fact that they were/are under a lot of pressure from PC warriors, more recently, as well as states that side with them. Like I said, in 2015 they were being threatened with state investigations and looming lawsuits from gay rights activists. They changed the policy to avoid that. No doubt, that is what happened here. They saw the writing on the wall and changed policy to not have to face it.