So Rey is the Kal-El of Star Wars it seems and the movie got more potholes than the entire MCU. Yeah I am going to skip this movie.
Please excuse my (probally) poor grammar
So Rey is the Kal-El of Star Wars it seems and the movie got more potholes than the entire MCU. Yeah I am going to skip this movie.
Please excuse my (probally) poor grammar
eva01beserk said:
So thats it, cant fight the list of points so single out the ones that you can spin to call out sexism for? The entire point of that post was to differentiate why luke is not a marty and she is a mary. If she was cast as a man then we would be saying is a gary stu. nothing would have changed so gender has nothing to do with it. This is ghost busters 2016 all over again. No argument can be made against a horrible movie cuz women are the main characters. |
I have no issue at all arguing the other points, but you made those two points specifically pointing to her gender which is just... bizzarre. I wasn´t the one who brought her gender into the equation, you did that in two points. I agree with you that Ghostbusters was a bad movie, but you must agree that it is one thing two argue that it is a bad movie because women are in it and another thing to argue it is a bad movie and women happen to be in it?
Puppyroach said:
I have no issue at all arguing the other points, but you made those two points specifically pointing to her gender which is just... bizzarre. I wasn´t the one who brought her gender into the equation, you did that in two points. I agree with you that Ghostbusters was a bad movie, but you must agree that it is one thing two argue that it is a bad movie because women are in it and another thing to argue it is a bad movie and women happen to be in it? |
First of is that I was not the one who made the post.
Read the post again, it says thouse points that hit regardles of gender. From what he said the gender part is no more than a thought of why is was done by the director. Just stating horrible character flaws and then why it might have been done. Again, something that if it wa a male lead they would still be problematic.
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eva01beserk said:
First of is that I was not the one who made the post. Read the post again, it says thouse points that hit regardles of gender. From what he said the gender part is no more than a thought of why is was done by the director. Just stating horrible character flaws and then why it might have been done. Again, something that if it wa a male lead they would still be problematic. |
Yes, my mistake regarding who made those points. But I was questioning what the purpose was of those points. In what way does the movie portray that Rey got her gifts because she was a woman (point 1) and in what way did the movie portray Kylo as weaker compared to Rey because he was a man (point 6)?
Pavolink said: I saw the infamous Leia scene. L O L |
Worst part is that, somehow, people still defend this scene and think it is ok...
Leia should have died there, knowing what happened to carrie fisher. Just floating into the space towards the galaxy, would be a nice and respectful ending for her.
d21lewis said:
Goddam, I love this post. |
Love this post too. Luke needed 3 movies to become a full powerful Jedi. He was actually a very flawed and crappy Jedi on first and second movie. The scene on the SECOND movie where he cannot move properly a crappy small rock shows it perfectly. He was capable of doing what he did because of the small knowledge he had of force and because of his friends. He just becomes a proper Jedi on the third movie. I love how on Return of the Jedi you see him powerful right on the start. You sense the evolution like "wow luke got really powerfull with time". Same with Anakin.
But Rey... well she becomes a full powerful Jedi in 5 minutes...
Puppyroach said:
Yes, my mistake regarding who made those points. But I was questioning what the purpose was of those points. In what way does the movie portray that Rey got her gifts because she was a woman (point 1) and in what way did the movie portray Kylo as weaker compared to Rey because he was a man (point 6)? |
It was never going to. If you had not notice, that would be a huge negative and if it was obvious the backlash would be immense. The same as ghost busters, they dint say man are stupid or evil, and women are always right, man hold women back, women aren't trusted. But they implied all of that by the actions and events that occured, like making the 2 main male characters a handsome idiot, and an evil nerd, then combine them for the ultimate evil. All the man in power thought they where crazy, useless and made everything possible to stand in their way. The women had always a strong belief in their goals, even though everyone was against them, they have a momentary lapse of faith to them be proven right almost immediately and everybody sees the folly of their way. So women perfect, man flawed.
I wont go into how star wars did the same cuz it was pointed out multiple times in this thread.
You say you have no problems arguing the points made, why don't you? Its more productive that asumin sexim.
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Vincoletto said:
Love this post too. Luke needed 3 movies to become a full powerful Jedi. He was actually a very flawed and crappy Jedi on first and second movie. The scene on the SECOND movie where he cannot move properly a crappy small rock shows it perfectly. He was capable of doing what he did because of the small knowledge he had of force and because of his friends. He just becomes a proper Jedi on the third movie. I love how on Return of the Jedi you see him powerful right on the start. You sense the evolution like "wow luke got really powerfull with time". Same with Anakin. But Rey... well she becomes a full powerful Jedi in 5 minutes... |
Can you even call Rey a Jedi?
I didn't see her care about being a Jedi at all. She wanted to know about the force, when she actually asked luke after wasting his time for like 20 minutes. She didn't even try the read their books or anything else.
Luke seemed excited about being a Jedi from the start. It was clearly a higher calling to him. I didn't see that at all from Rey.
Can you really be a Jedi with one training session from a Jedi Master? If so, then why wouldn't Kylo be a Jedi now...
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Puppyroach said:
Yes, my mistake regarding who made those points. But I was questioning what the purpose was of those points. In what way does the movie portray that Rey got her gifts because she was a woman (point 1) and in what way did the movie portray Kylo as weaker compared to Rey because he was a man (point 6)? |
Kylo has had to have at least a decades worth of training to become the equal of Rey, and in some ways she's actually more powerful. Rey is no one important, as far as lineage goes, so why is she so powerful? The only real reason is she is a Mary Sue.
There's a reason people with an agenda are praising this as a feminist SW movie. Personally, I think it's demeaning to women to suggest they need a Mary Sue to represent them. And really, the series deserves better.
NightlyPoe said:
It's a bit more than I would have estimated, but I would have been pleasantly surprised if it managed a drop of under 60%. Seriously, anyone who thinks that a $200+ million opening weekend wouldn't have a massive drop on a weekend where Sunday is Christmas Eve is woefully ignorant of the way box office works. It's certainly no indication that there's been some massive backlash. You seem to have taken this all personally for some reason. Why is that? |
Any fan of any series is going to take it a little personal when they think that series just got shat all over by the new caretakers of that series.
Anyway, I don't believe you. You honestly thought this was going to drop faster than Justice League's 56%? A movie poorly received by critics and fans? I call BS.
And you are putting WAY too much importance on Sunday. Care to explain why Fri saw a 76% decline, that was a larger one than Sun saw? If you're theory about kids being in school holds up, then it shouldn't have drop so incredibly. Nor should Saturday have seen a 54% decline, compared to TFA 2nd Sat decline of 17%. TFA Xmas eve take was also almost double that of TLJ.
So, sorry. Nothing but a bunch of people no longer being interested in watching/re-watching the film accounts for that.
Stefan.De.Machtige said:
Can you even call Rey a Jedi? I didn't see her care about being a Jedi at all. She wanted to know about the force, when she actually asked luke after wasting his time for like 20 minutes. She didn't even try the read their books or anything else. Luke seemed excited about being a Jedi from the start. It was clearly a higher calling to him. I didn't see that at all from Rey. Can you really be a Jedi with one training session from a Jedi Master? If so, then why wouldn't Kylo be a Jedi now... |
We wouldn't. But, the movie certainly does. And it's Luke that actually gave her that title, no less, when his projection is wasting time with Kylo.
DarthMetalliCube said:
Usually when one side of the fence is resorting to 90% discrediting the person/personal attacks while the other group consists of 90% logical arguments - the former side tends to represent the losing side of the argument.. |
That's not how it works for something subjective like this. The thing is, there is no such thing as an objectively good/great/bad/horrible movie. The only thing that can be said is whether or not a film got good reviews, however since the vast majority of people who watch movies don't review them even that is a difficult baseline to entertain.