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Could Sony make a successful Switch ?

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HoangNhatAnh said:
potato_hamster said:

Did I ever say the PSP is a hybrid console? Any more things you want to argue against that I never said.

Also, super adorable that you expect a handheld released in 2004 to have comparable specs to one released in 2018.

Nope, i said comparable boost from handheld to dock in psp like Switch about Gflops, resolution and graphic. And 1 Gflops ADM can only dream to compete to 1 Gflops Tegra

So a 33% increase in a performance mode in 2004 with 2004 technology isn't similar at all?

Whatever you say.



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KBG29 said:
potato_hamster said:

https://www.sonymobile.com/global-en/products/phones/

There you go :)

Laughing out loud! You got me there.

Yeah, they have the Sony name on them, but they are not Sony devices. Just another re-branded Google device.

Even the Xperia Play had almost nothing to do with Sony. No access to PS1, PSP. Not a single 1st party game ever made for it. Not a single game from EA, Activision, Ubisoft, Take-Two, Capcom, Konami, Square, or any other major 3rd pary publisher. PSN access limited to the PS Mobile Store, but only if you basically hacked the device to get it on there. No access to online play, friends lists, messaging, or any other PSN features. The Xperia Play was a device sent to die.

Now if Sony made a Phone that ran on their own OS. Had access to the PlayStation Library, including SIEWWS, 3rd party parteners, and indies. Fully supported by all PSN features and related services. Full Dual Shock controls. Then things would shake up. 

And No, Remote Play or PlayStation Now with a Dual Shock 4, on an Google Xperia device does not count. 

A Phone successor to the Vita with native access to PlayStation games, at the same level of quality we have came to expect over the last 20+ years. That is what would shake up the mobile space. PlayStation Phones with access to all future PlayStation releases, one purchase plays on Phone and on Console, that's where Sony can carve out a viable 100 Million + userbase in the mobile space. 

Ohh no, they're Sony devices. Google never designed them. Sony did. Google doesn't even design their own phones.

Ohh so you don't want a phone, you want a handheld gaming system with the ability to make phonecalls. So why did you say you wanted a phone?

If Sony made a phone that ran their own OS, they would be lighting the money to create it on fire. You know this as well, because Sony pretty much already made what you want in the Vita 3G and nobody wanted it. You have one. You use it as a phone. You can problably cont on one hand the number of people who also did the same for more than a week.

You really need to start understanding that you are a gigantic outlier. Almost no one else on the planet wants what you want. Why do you keep acting like your ideas, your wants have mainstream appeal?



HoangNhatAnh said:
potato_hamster said:

https://www.sonymobile.com/global-en/products/phones/

There you go :)

Thank you for the link, i'm wondering where to find it. Can't wait to see Sony announce Xperia outsold both Iphone and Samsung Galaxy oh wait

Is this a clever put down in your mind or something?



potato_hamster said:

Ohh no, they're Sony devices. Google never designed them. Sony did. Google doesn't even design their own phones.

Ohh so you don't want a phone, you want a handheld gaming system with the ability to make phonecalls. So why did you say you wanted a phone?

If Sony made a phone that ran their own OS, they would be lighting the money to create it on fire. You know this as well, because Sony pretty much already made what you want in the Vita 3G and nobody wanted it. You have one. You use it as a phone. You can problably cont on one hand the number of people who also did the same for more than a week.

You really need to start understanding that you are a gigantic outlier. Almost no one else on the planet wants what you want. Why do you keep acting like your ideas, your wants have mainstream appeal?

Sony may design Xperias and Bravias, but they are an absolute zero sum business for them. They have no connection with the consumer beyond the point of sale. Both businesses have been money pits or barley above break even for the past 2 decades. PlayStation and Cameras are the only actual Sony devices they make, that are Sony through and through. Bravia and Xperia are just products they make for Google.

Phones have come in many form factors over the years. I want a phone, in a handheld gaming form factor. 

The Vita fell well short of what I wanted. It just happened to be the only product that offered anything remotely close to the idel mobile device. It didn't help either that Sony choose to abandon it, and burn 5 billion dollars building Googles Xperia brand between 2011 and now. Since Sony didn't market the Vita as a phone, very, very few people even knew you could make calls on it. In the beggining I didn't even know. There were many people interested up until they I told them it couldn't make calls, even told my dad and brother to get the wifi model because 3G was useless without calling. Massive oversight on my part, and extreamly counterproductive.

What do you consider mainstream appeal? We know that at the absolute minimum, with nearly zero support 15 Million people will buy a PlayStation Handheld. With half ass support 80 million people bought a PSP. You actually believe there is no viable market out their for a PlayStation Phone with the full support of SIE? 

A PlayStation Phone may not be a 500 million seller, but there is definitely a profitable market out there for a Handheld Phone. You will never convince me that people want to spend more money, on more devices, with more OS's, if there is an option that simplies and unifies everything they want, in one product.

Lets look beyond Sony. If any company made a Switch clone that could replace your Handheld, your Phone, your Tablet/Laptop, your Console, you Set Top Box, your Cable Box, your Smart Speaker, and your Computer, it will be successful/profitable to some extent. That is exactly what a PlayStation Phone or a Switch Phone has the potential to be.



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10/03/2010 

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Sony can't beat Nintendo, but Nintendo can beat Nintendo if they chose to make dumb decisions or get too arrogant.



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KBG29 said:
potato_hamster said:

Ohh no, they're Sony devices. Google never designed them. Sony did. Google doesn't even design their own phones.

Ohh so you don't want a phone, you want a handheld gaming system with the ability to make phonecalls. So why did you say you wanted a phone?

If Sony made a phone that ran their own OS, they would be lighting the money to create it on fire. You know this as well, because Sony pretty much already made what you want in the Vita 3G and nobody wanted it. You have one. You use it as a phone. You can problably cont on one hand the number of people who also did the same for more than a week.

You really need to start understanding that you are a gigantic outlier. Almost no one else on the planet wants what you want. Why do you keep acting like your ideas, your wants have mainstream appeal?

Sony may design Xperias and Bravias, but they are an absolute zero sum business for them. They have no connection with the consumer beyond the point of sale. Both businesses have been money pits or barley above break even for the past 2 decades. PlayStation and Cameras are the only actual Sony devices they make, that are Sony through and through. Bravia and Xperia are just products they make for Google.

Phones have come in many form factors over the years. I want a phone, in a handheld gaming form factor. 

The Vita fell well short of what I wanted. It just happened to be the only product that offered anything remotely close to the idel mobile device. It didn't help either that Sony choose to abandon it, and burn 5 billion dollars building Googles Xperia brand between 2011 and now. Since Sony didn't market the Vita as a phone, very, very few people even knew you could make calls on it. In the beggining I didn't even know. There were many people interested up until they I told them it couldn't make calls, even told my dad and brother to get the wifi model because 3G was useless without calling. Massive oversight on my part, and extreamly counterproductive.

What do you consider mainstream appeal? We know that at the absolute minimum, with nearly zero support 15 Million people will buy a PlayStation Handheld. With half ass support 80 million people bought a PSP. You actually believe there is no viable market out their for a PlayStation Phone with the full support of SIE? 

A PlayStation Phone may not be a 500 million seller, but there is definitely a profitable market out there for a Handheld Phone. You will never convince me that people want to spend more money, on more devices, with more OS's, if there is an option that simplies and unifies everything they want, in one product.

Lets look beyond Sony. If any company made a Switch clone that could replace your Handheld, your Phone, your Tablet/Laptop, your Console, you Set Top Box, your Cable Box, your Smart Speaker, and your Computer, it will be successful/profitable to some extent. That is exactly what a PlayStation Phone or a Switch Phone has the potential to be.

No the xpiria is a sony device. Its just not a device from the ps branch... which is the reason. The internal beanches of sony constantly competed with each other, which is the main reason sony is only a shell of its former self today. Only ps managed to survive  outside the camera and finantial sectors because the ps1/2was amazing and ps3 did okey.



TheBraveGallade said:

No the xpiria is a sony device. Its just not a device from the ps branch... which is the reason. The internal beanches of sony constantly competed with each other, which is the main reason sony is only a shell of its former self today. Only ps managed to survive  outside the camera and finantial sectors because the ps1/2was amazing and ps3 did okey.

Xperia devices and Bravia are brands developed with Sonys R&D cash, and labeled with the Sony name, but they run on Google OS and Google Play Store. Sony basically works as a non profit organization for Google the way these two divisions are ran.

You are absolutely right about Sony's power struggle leading to their stumblings. They have lost a massive amount of mind share due to every unit fighting against each other, and making Sony products the least coheasive in the industry. That is why as a stock holder I want to see Kaz bring everything under SIE, and unify their product offerings. Having a standard and seemless itegration across Televisions, Recievers, Consoles, Tablets, Phones, Handhelds, Audio Decks, Watches, and other devices will be a major next ship in continuing their upward trend.

I see a lot of people saying Sony is not big enough to handle VR, Home, Mobile, and Auto. In reality, Sony actually has more man power than Google or Apple. They have the resources, they are just very poorly utilized. With good leadership they should beable to get all of their divisions working together eliminating waste, and redundancy, allowing them to build a better ecosystem.

Merging their Mobile team in with SIE, and building a PS4 Switch/Portable/Phone would be a major step forward for them. With SIE on its way to racking in the majority of the profits for the company, they should get the reigns. Hopefully Kaz has the back bone to cut all the crap, and finally put all the pieces together. There is no company with a more impressive portfolio than Sony. If they can connect all the peices, they will have an absolute beast of an ecosystem.



Stop hate, let others live the life they were given. Everyone has their problems, and no one should have to feel ashamed for the way they were born. Be proud of who you are, encourage others to be proud of themselves. Learn, research, absorb everything around you. Nothing is meaningless, a purpose is placed on everything no matter how you perceive it. Discover how to love, and share that love with everything that you encounter. Help make existence a beautiful thing.

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10/03/2010 

KBG29 on PSN&XBL

KBG29 said:
potato_hamster said:

You really need to start understanding that you are a gigantic outlier. Almost no one else on the planet wants what you want. Why do you keep acting like your ideas, your wants have mainstream appeal?

What do you consider mainstream appeal? We know that at the absolute minimum, with nearly zero support 15 Million people will buy a PlayStation Handheld. With half ass support 80 million people bought a PSP. You actually believe there is no viable market out their for a PlayStation Phone with the full support of SIE? 

People have different requirements/tasks for dedicated handheld consoles and smartphones.

Even most PlayStation fans will think twice about switching from iOS or Android to the PS-OS if some of their favorite apps they use every day aren't available day one on the PlayStation phone (WhatsApp, Instagram, FaceBook, Google Maps, Google Calendar, Skype, GMail, Twitter, Dropbox...)

They will think twice if they carry around a thicker device than necessary to have sticks and buttons ready just in case they want to play something a few minutes occasionally.



Conina said:
KBG29 said:

What do you consider mainstream appeal? We know that at the absolute minimum, with nearly zero support 15 Million people will buy a PlayStation Handheld. With half ass support 80 million people bought a PSP. You actually believe there is no viable market out their for a PlayStation Phone with the full support of SIE? 

People have different requirements/tasks for dedicated handheld consoles and smartphones.

Even most PlayStation fans will think twice about switching from iOS or Android to the PS-OS if some of their favorite apps they use every day aren't available day one on the PlayStation phone (WhatsApp, Instagram, FaceBook, Google Maps, Google Calendar, Skype, GMail, Twitter, Dropbox...)

They will think twice if they carry around a thicker device than necessary to have sticks and buttons ready just in case they want to play something a few minutes occasionally.

No doubt about anything you mentioned there. A PlayStation Phone would not be for everyone that has a PS4. Depending on fashion, it may not work for some as well, do to the size and sticks as you mentioned, even for those that would be interested. It will undoubtlably attract people that are not PS4 fans though. How many is hard to say. There are also 10's if not 100's of millions of people that don't care about apps, or have an attachment to Android or iOS. 

The thing is, a PlayStation Phone would not be a stand alone product. It would be part of the larger PlayStation ecosystem. Thus it doesn't have to sell 100 Million units by itself to be viable and profitable for Sony. Not only that, if Sony is smart they would offer a Phone and a Wifi only unit aimed at those that just want a handheld. 

Sony is only currently selling ~10 Million Xperia devices a year across all offerings. A PlayStation Switch/Handheld/Phone line should be able to match those sales, while making the PlayStation ecosystem an even more viable place for indies and app makers. Sony should be able to obtain a 200 - 300 million strong active userbase if they have TV, Console, Phone, and Handheld all running on a unified OS and Hardware platform. This would be plenty of users to get any essential apps on the platform.

I know some will argue that Microsoft couldn't do it, so how could Sony. The thing is Microsoft took every bad angle they could at Windows Phone. WP took absolutely zero advantage of anything they had created with Windows on PC. It was a brand new platform starting from the grond up. Microsoft has learned from their mistakes, and went back to the drawing board with the Universal Windows Platform. When they decide to get back into the race they will have the entire force of Windows and Xbox behind them. A unified expereince aross all devices.

A PlayStation Mobile/Handheld line built on the same principles as UWP, would have the massive advantage of shared R&D with all other PlayStation Products, making it a very small impact to Sony. Done right PS Mobile devices don't need a huge marketshare to be viable and profitable for Sony. There main purpose would be keeping people in the Sony ecosystem as often as possible, something Sony currently lacks with Xperia and Bravia. Having the 20 million people that buy Xperia and Bravia devices each year connected to their OS and Store is a pure profit driver, and connects them to the customer down to the last 1 inch.



Stop hate, let others live the life they were given. Everyone has their problems, and no one should have to feel ashamed for the way they were born. Be proud of who you are, encourage others to be proud of themselves. Learn, research, absorb everything around you. Nothing is meaningless, a purpose is placed on everything no matter how you perceive it. Discover how to love, and share that love with everything that you encounter. Help make existence a beautiful thing.

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10/03/2010 

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EricHiggin said:
HoangNhatAnh said: 

I told you Nintendo customers love physical games and of course they care if they are good games like Skyrim or Doom but not something like Fifa. Again, i said Switch games is way more lighter than on ps, even with big AAA game need install, they are still a lot smaller than ps ones. 

HoangNhatAnh said:

ARM here is from AMD, Tegra is from Nvidia. Graphic is the same except control functions quality on psp is no where close to ps2, compare Naruto Shippuden Ultimate Ninja Heroes 3 psp to Naruto Shippuden Ultimate Ninja 5, graphic look almost same but the quality gameplay and control are not. All games are suit on handheld i said here are Nintendo games, not Sony games who focus on graphic and resolution, since when i mention Skyrim and Doom are more suit for handheld here? NA? Look like Switch sold most in December and also is one of the best selling console off all time in US. People have said with the rise of smartphone, portable market for gaming is smaller and on life support, Nintendo console also is done after Wii U, now they are combine two into one with hope it Switch can make it but you are still saying it is a safe choice, OK

AMD is known for x86 but also dabbles in ARM. Nvidia Tegra is the chip branding, but uses ARM cores. I didn't say third party suited handheld. If Nin fans care so much about good games like Doom and Skyrim on a handheld hybrid, then PS gamers will care about having them on a portable, along with PS first party games. Just because Switch potentially sold more units in one month, that means it owns NA? It's the fastest selling, not best selling. Being the fastest 100 meter sprinter on Earth is basically meaningless if your competing in the 800 meter race. We need to see if Switch also has stamina. Some people, like journalists especially, were saying consoles were dead, yet PS4 and even XB1 are doing fine, if not amazing, so it's no surprise that a Nin handheld hybrid is having success so far. A $500 high performance console would have been super risky, a $200 low performance console would have been quite risky, no console at all would have made Nin look like they had been defeated an given up, so merging their console with their handheld, and adding some functionality that made the Wii sell so well, with a reasonable market price for it all, was the least risky by far. The more third party support it gets, along with more online support and app support, the less risky it becomes as the gen goes on. A handheld hybrid was still a risk, but the safest one they could have taken. 

It was the first hybrid which was used in gaming. Handheld market shrinking each year, look at DS to 3DS sales and PSP to Vita sales and this Switch is a new handheld Nintendo made with $300 price, outside some Nintendo portables fans, no one think they can sell decent, let alone success. Are you a Nintendo fan? Clearly not, if i'm not mistaken, many Sony fans disagree with Switch will continue selling in 2018 or more precisely, they think Switch will stop in 2018 and get GameCube sales or a bit more at best. Look like some change the attitude too fast, i wonder why. Because it is Sony, right?

Last edited by HoangNhatAnh - on 15 January 2018