I can shake on that.

Definitely think it's a little too early to tell. Sony still has the allure of its first party output, but they handled the Pro poorly beyond the hardware. 

But if you dip it in some Nvidia sauce and sprinkle some shader seasoning it can look like a sour lemon sometimes. 

I thought X1X is next gen, and the X1S is the premium upgrade competing against the PS4pro?

Sure. But I was talking more about Sony demanding all games to have a 4k mode, or any other mandated feature, that could make devs make some games prettier but also could destroy other games. That is why I said the games I have been buying and playing look pretty already without Sony needing to enforce. And I also prefer that MS had dropped some of the mandatory points on their X1X

That is the real kicker isn't it? The majority of games that will be run on a Playstation 4 Pro are... *Drumroll* base Playstation 4 games.
It's the same issue that plagues the Xbox One X.

Well. Sony and Microsoft should force requirements for their "premium" machines to have some sort of improvement over the base machine going forward.
It doesn't need to be anything massive though... But just enough so that people feel they got their money's worth.

It will look like a shrimpled lemon and it will also run like one.

Well your opinion wrong. I mean if it doesent interest you, thats fine. But $499 is not unreasonable for the specs.

Its a sub 30 fps box? For the most part games stay at 30 fps and it does do a better job at 60 fps experiences.

The X1X is a machine designed to make 8th gen games looks better and perform more stable. The OG specs hits resolutions around 720p to 1080p, the X1X tends to do 1440p to 4K along with better graphics settings. X1X is not a rip off, its an option and boost in image fidelity has a cost.

But that’s the problem...it’s late and expensive. It’s late in the gen already. 500 for a console that will probably outdated very soon already seems like a tough proposition. I’m not questioning the value, it’s good value for sure, no rip-off at all.. but few people will find the motivation to buy one at such a high price nearing the end of the gen, especially without stand out games to show it off.

I guess it was a move in the right direction. Now the next step is to get more good exclusives that make us want to squeeze that extra power from XB1X.
Being this said, I think they could invest precisely in getting those exclusives first, because, as switch has show us, and the Wii before it, games are more important than raw power.

If X1X came sooner and cheaper it would feel half backed like the Pro. Which has even less CPU power, no additional RAM (better textures), and even less capable of 4K. Even when it launched I said the Pro should have been $499, because for a Premium console its simply not doing enough and it might have sold even better at a higher price with better specs.

X1X will be outdated very soon? Depends how long until we see a console with better specs like PS5 which would also be more expensive. At best, that would be two years. That would also make this a short generation for Sony in spite of their success. That could be perceived as Sony being reactive to the X1X.

Also, if the PS5 launches in 2020 or 2021, then MS could simply launch a more powerful device the year after. Hence, there is always a more powerful device around the corner.

Its worth considering the X1X may be supported longer because it could better handle 9th gen games while and OG X1 support may not be required. As I've stated before, X1X could be treated as the budget 9th gen console.