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I'm sure Switch will get a lot of third party support but I'm unsure at the moment how sales are going to be for large games on cartridge that don't sell well in Japan. Smaller indie games mostly without retail releases I'm sure will be common as will conversions from android, ios etc based on mobile game engines. How many big third party releases come to Switch will be dictated by Switch owner's buying choices. If they prefer to buy games at a lower cost for more powerful hardware rather than have that game available to them port-ably then commercial support will reduce.

Personally I don't think US and European developer support is critical to Switch success, its more about Nintendo's own games and other Japanese developers so even if we see less big games on Switch its really nothing to worry about. It's good if it gets them though. It will be interesting to see how Doom and Skyrim fared worldwide after Christmas I'm not hopeful though. Both games deserve to do well but both games are incredibly cheap on other formats too. I suspect they will do better business as discounted download games sometime in the future.

I'm in the UK though and the Switch just like in most of Europe hasn't had the same success as Japan or US. It's really down to US consumers for the success of big US developed titles on Switch. It feels like Switch has a younger audience in Europe compared to US and Japan.





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DélioPT said:
Miyamotoo said:

You have some very strange points, nothing stops them, but thats how they do, fact is that companies very rarely commented sales of games outside quarter results, Capcom, Bandai and SQ all commented sales at quarter results.

Actually you get new customers even with ports, we already saw plenty of people said they are buying Switch because they can play Skyrim, Doom or Rocket League in full handheld mode. You again missing point, even old ports can be quite popular on Switch because full handheld mode, and that wasn't case before for those games before. Of Course they never said "their best games", there is no sense to say something like that, much stronger support and much more games is enugh and expeted. Basicly Capcom and SQ said we are satisfied with sales of our games on Switch and we are satisfied with Switch sales, so we are gave Switch much stronger support, you cant spin that.

Yes, like I wrote, if games are still selling on Switch and Switch is still seling, 3rd parties will contine releasing games on Switch regardles new consoles, beacuse main point is offcourse profit.

No, this is point where you ignoring clear facts, almost all 3rd parties that relased games on Switch comented how they are satisfied with sales on Switch and promising stronger support (and we arledy see for instance how much games Capcom unancued for Switch in just last month). Also like I wrote, how Switch continue to sell great and instal base is rasing it will get much more 3rd party support, espacily beacuse good part of 3rd party take "wait and see aprouch" after Wii U. We already agree that ports are also support. Again, basicly Capcom and SQ said we are geting much stronger support and more games for Switch, but for you that "don't point to a better support"!? Relly!?

 

Its not point about ports, you wrote nothing in any case, you didn't said there will be some ports, you said there will be nothing, you were obviosly wrong. Offcourse that those two games will not be only games, for other Q1/Q2 games we will need to wait Nintendo Direct in January, and Switch linuep is far superior than Wii Us in any case (just open your eyes, images down).

Again, FE is being biggest one (I dont say its huge title) currently can't be bad sign because we still don't know nothing about most of 2018. lineup, bad sign would be if E3 2018. was finished and FE is still biggest one for 2018. You also thouth thats bad sign for Q1 of 2018. because Nintendo didn't did not specifically said nothing about Q1 games, and now we have two Bayonetta games for February.

 

Here are the releases during the first 9.5 months of the Wii U in 2012/2013:

https://abload.de/img/wii_u-games5mub4.png

Here are the releases during the first 9 months of the Nintendo Switch, as a comparison:

https://abload.de/img/switch-games1ps4b.png

For December 2017, there seems to be around 70 new titles (all digital release dates aren't announced yet).

 

 

I wrote that in OP, Wii had huge power difrence compared to PS3/Xbox360 and was tehnicaly very old, Switch power gap is much slower compared to XB1/PS4 and tehnicaly is on pair with them with support for all modern engines. In other words, ports are much more posible. I didnt said like SNES, but best after SNES. We still dont know almost nothing about 2018. Switch linuep (January Direct will be good start), but I wrote in OP why Switch will have much more 3rd party annucemnts than we had this year (almost all 3rd parties that relased games on Switch comented how they are satisfied with sales on Switch and promising stronger support. Also like I wrote, how Switch continue to sell great and instal base is rasing it will get much more 3rd party support, espacily beacuse good part of 3rd party take "wait and see aprouch" after Wii U).

 

Funny, i remember every year Activision bragging about their CoD launches.
Not commenting, not a single twit is not something that i'm happy to see. To me, if sales would have been that great, they would have said something. 
But we'll see how satisfied they were.

"plenty of people said they are buying Switch because they can play Skyrim, Doom or Rocket League in full handheld mode."
Where did you get this "plenty" from? this website? Some random youtubers?
If 5 people bought a Switch for old ports you'd still be right, but that is not the point. The point is, that's not why the majority of people buy consoles. It might be ok, but after some time, people will want new games. It's only natural.

"Of Course they never said "their best games", there is no sense to say something like that, much stronger support and much more games is enugh and expeted."
So, to you, any support is good enough?
They should have said they would fully support or launch their best games on Switch and they didn't.
Your expectations that because people like handheld mode and Switch is selling great, therefore more support for Switch, aren't happening - when, by your logic, they should. I'm not saying that that kind of support won't happen, just that i haven't seen it and i won't expect it to happen just because handeld mode and Switch sales.

Let's put it this way: PS5 comes out > porting to Switch is either undoable or takes a lot of resources (money/people) > profits get smaller and smaller.
In this scenartio, Switch's library hardly becomes GC equivalent.

Almost all 3rd parties? Really?
Well, if you think a port is awesome, i garantee that you are in the minority. Gamers buy consoles for new games.
What i read from Capcom and SE were promises of older games - despite how great Switch sales are. Why didn't they say that + full support?

 

Who's talking about Wii U vs Switch support?
I never said that Q1 would have no games. In our previous chats i merely asked why wasn't Nintendo announcing them and then i asked if Yoshi, Kirby and FE was the best they could reveal for 2018. B1 and B2 for February hasn't changed that.

Again... awesome, we have two ports for February! More ports...

There's no real point in comparing Wii U's first 10 months with Switch's first 10 months.
Just in Indies, Wii U was the start of the Nindie initiative.

Bragging is totally different thing, Nintendo also bragged about Zelda BotW or about MK8D sales, again, fact is that companies very rarely commented sales of games outside quarter results, Capcom, Bandai and SQ all commented sales at quarter results and I dont talk only about Switch games.

Here, Neogaf, Resetera...fact is that there are people that are buying Switch for full handheld mode for some 3rd party games, and some other maybe will not buy Switch just beacuse those games, but they will again buy some of those 3rd party games beacuse full handheld mode. You need to accept that handheld mode is one of main reasons why people are buying Switch and games for it.

No they didnt to say that and nobady relly says that. Its logical that when you have platform that sells great and with already solid instal base (already 10m in 9 months), and 3rd party games are actualy seling good on that platform, that platform will recive more and more support, esapcily when that platform cames after failed platform that left whitout any 3rd party support. Funny how you clerly keep ignoring fact that most 3rd parties that relesed games on Switch said they are satisfied with games and promised stronger support.

Well they can work in same time on PS5 version and Switch version of same game in same time if games and Switch are still selling good. Switch library can easily become better than GC even before PS5 comes on market.

Any port of good or bigger game for Switch is good offcourse. No, gamers dont buy consoles just for new games, they also buy them to play ports or remasters of good games that they missed or that they maybe offer some game changer thing (like full handheld mode in Switchs case). Capcom unannounced Mega Man 11 and new Ace Attorney games and both are new games, they announced bunch older ports and they said they are porting more games to Switch, SE specifically said: "we won't rule out any IPs. Those include new ones, currently active ones, currently not-active ones. Probably other platforms will get these too as part of multi, but we would aggressively make games for Switch". Talking about Bandai Namco: "Japanese video game publisher Bandai Namco is adding more resources in developing games for Nintendo's Switch, says President Mitsuaki Taguchi. "We have put 3 games on the Switch and all of them are doing well he said. It's a shame, but we didn't think the Switch [would] be accepted this fast". Koei Tecmo relased couple of games on Switch and they said they are "Extremely Happy” with Switch game sales so its expeted they will relase much more games. Konami said also that they are satisfied with Bomberman sales and that they have "lots of internal discussions going on within Konami regarding what games they can bring to the Nintendo Switch, other than Bomberman". Take-Two is very pleased with NBA 2K18’s sales on Switch, and they are “supportive of the platform corporately”.  Ubisoft said they are “very happy” with Switch sales, more games on the way. Telltale shares more praise for Switch, working to bring past titles over. I will not even mentioned Indies where we have every week some Indies saying how there game sold best on Switch, and we have every week dozens of new announcements.

 

You wrote "If Nintendo has streamlined their production, the release Schedule should be far superior to Wii U - as you implied before" and I gave you fact where you can see that Switch schedule is far superior compared to Switch. No you specifkly said its not good that Nintendo still dont have nothing for Q1, even its fact that Nintendo with Switch dont show evrething they preparing and they are mostly focusing on games that will be out in near future.

Yes two ports that are pretty good and strong games, not to mention that one was on Wii U that has very small instal base.

Even without Indies Switch is killing Wii U 1st year with 1st party games, great games is also one of main reasons why Switch is selling great.

Last edited by Miyamotoo - on 14 December 2017

spemanig said:
Miyamotoo said:

But my main point is that we are getting much more and more 3rd party announcements how time is passing and Switch continue to sell great and instal base is rising. You can bet after news that Switch already has 10m instal base just in 9 months that some 3rd parties decided to bring some games to Switch. In 2018. we will see incomparible much more 3rd party announcements than we had this year.

The Wii selling well didn't help, and it wasn't anchored by expensive carts. Switch isn't getting "much more announcements." It's getting throwbacks, and a tiny handful of multiplats. No reason to believe that any of that will lead to support approaching the SNES, which was essentially ubiquitous. Like I said, it's not even approaching GCN at this trajectory. Make a list of the multiplats Switch isn't getting in 2018, and tell me the future is as bright as the OP suggests.

Not exactly true mate what's out and announced is already more than what Wii had at the same point and on par with GC and this is 9 months in, GC only had support for a period of around 2 years as well some thing I'm sure Switch won't have any issue with, the Wii selling also did have an impact as why do you think games like COD were ported to it despite the effort it required and we're already seeing developers finding ways around carts anyway, even looking at the third party titles so far in 9 months:

DQXI
Doom
Skyrim
SMTV
Tales of Project
Dragon Quest Builders 1&2
DQ Warriors 1&2
DB Xenoverse
BlazBlue X
Wastelands 2
Fear Effect Reboot
RER 1&2 remaster
Outlast 1 &2
Megaman collection & XI
Octopath
LA Noire
Wolfenstein
Disgaea
Hollow Knight
Inazuma 11
Layton
I Am Setsuna
LCU
Minecraft
Shovel Knight
Yooka Laylee
Sonic Mania
Stardew Valley
Steamworld Dig 2
Steins Gate
Super Bomberman R
Super Meat Boy Collection
Valkriya Chronicles 4
No More Heroes
SF Collection

GC was not anymore solid than this 9 months in it was in fact very similar sure the Switch is missing out on certain games like Destiny and AC but then it makes up for that on first party titles and second party titles like Bayonetta 3, FEW, M&R etc... Switch isn't just getting minor titles like you claim GC on the other hand didn't get a sniff at games like DQ, Shin Megami and so on with nothing to really make up for it, GC started off okay with support and started losing it after 2 years NS started off quiet and has gained equivalent support extremely fast this is further referenced by Namco's recent statements.



Miyamotoo said:
DélioPT said:

 

Bragging is totally different thing, Nintendo also bragged about Zelda BotW or about MK8D sales, again, fact is that companies very rarely commented sales of games outside quarter results, Capcom, Bandai and SQ all commented sales at quarter results and I dont talk only about Switch games.

Here, Neogaf, Resetera...fact is that there are people that are buying Switch for full handheld mode for some 3rd party games, and some other maybe will not buy Switch just beacuse those games, but they will again buy some of those 3rd party games beacuse full handheld mode. You need to accept that handheld mode is one of main reasons why people are buying Switch and games for it.

No they didnt to say that and nobady relly says that. Its logical that when you have platform that sells great and with already solid instal base (already 10m in 9 months), and 3rd party games are actualy seling good on that platform, that platform will recive more and more support, esapcily when that platform cames after failed platform that left whitout any 3rd party support. Funny how you clerly keep ignoring fact that most 3rd parties that relesed games on Switch said they are satisfied with games and promised stronger support.

Well they can work in same time on PS5 version and Switch version of same game in same time if games and Switch are still selling good. Switch library can easily become better than GC even before PS5 comes on market.

Any port of good or bigger game for Switch is good offcourse. No, gamers dont buy consoles just for new games, they also buy them to play ports or remasters of good games that they missed or that they maybe offer some game changer thing (like full handheld mode in Switchs case). Capcom unannounced Mega Man 11 and new Ace Attorney games and both are new games, they announced bunch older ports and they said they are porting more games to Switch, SE specifically said: "we won't rule out any IPs. Those include new ones, currently active ones, currently not-active ones. Probably other platforms will get these too as part of multi, but we would aggressively make games for Switch". Talking about Bandai Namco: "Japanese video game publisher Bandai Namco is adding more resources in developing games for Nintendo's Switch, says President Mitsuaki Taguchi. "We have put 3 games on the Switch and all of them are doing well he said. It's a shame, but we didn't think the Switch [would] be accepted this fast". Koei Tecmo relased couple of games on Switch and they said they are "Extremely Happy” with Switch game sales so its expeted they will relase much more games. Konami said also that they are satisfied with Bomberman sales and that they have "lots of internal discussions going on within Konami regarding what games they can bring to the Nintendo Switch, other than Bomberman". Take-Two is very pleased with NBA 2K18’s sales on Switch, and they are “supportive of the platform corporately”.  Ubisoft said they are “very happy” with Switch sales, more games on the way. Telltale shares more praise for Switch, working to bring past titles over. I will not even mentioned Indies where we have every week some Indies saying how there game sold best on Switch, and we have every week dozens of new announcements.

 

You wrote "If Nintendo has streamlined their production, the release Schedule should be far superior to Wii U - as you implied before" and I gave you fact where you can see that Switch schedule is far superior compared to Switch. No you specifkly said its not good that Nintendo still dont have nothing for Q1, even its fact that Nintendo with Switch dont show evrething they preparing and they are mostly focusing on games that will be out in near future.

Yes two ports that are pretty good and strong games, not to mention that one was on Wii U that has very small instal base.

Even without Indies Switch is killing Wii U 1st year with 1st party games, great games is also one of main reasons why Switch is selling great.

Okay, let's wait for the reports to see how happy they are.

"Here, Neogaf, Resetera..."
Exactly what i thought: a few guys online saying the same thing and you take it as everyone.

Buying consoles for new games and also enjoying ports is not the same as buying a console for ports and more ports.
The majority of people buy a new console to experience something they couldn't do without it, not because they can get the same experiences.
Don't mistake people's rebuying some games as a sign that ports are the priority when they bought the console.

"Its logical that when you have platform that sells great and with already solid instal base (already 10m in 9 months)"
  Yes, it's logical to expect that but this is, so far, not happening because a) it's still a Nintendo userbase (?), b) i don't know why, but it's not happening.
What these companies should be saying is "we are bringing our future games to this console" and they didn't. Actually of the companies you listed, only Ubisfot and Toei seem to be going that route.

Capcom: ports
SE: ports (new or old)
Namco: ?
Konami: ?
Take-Two: "supportive of the platform corporately" (whatever this means)
Telltale: ports

See what a success story brought so far? 
Besides Ubisoft, did any company actively and clearly declared to be giving more support to Switch?

 

I'll say it again, PS5 might be too much for devs to port games to Switch and we aren't getting a lot of exclusive new games for Switch.

Indies do very little for HW purchases. 
In the end it won't matter if Switch got 10, 100, 1000 Indie games.

"If Nintendo has streamlined their production, the release Schedule should be far superior to Wii U - as you implied before"
 If i remember correctly, i also showed that in the first 10 months, Switch and Wii U had an even number of 1st party titles. 
That was what i was talking about.
So far, we haven't got a single confirmation of a 1st party title for Q1. It might happen with Yoshi or Kirby. But so far, we got nothing.

Splatoon also had a very small userbase... 
Some games sell, some don't.



Barkley said:

People forget how great third party support was on the gamecube.

James Bond - (5 games)
Burnout - (2 games)
Call of Duty - (2 games)
Crash Bandicoot - (3 games)
Crazy Taxi
Digimon - (2 games)
FIfa - (5 games)
Fifa Street - (2 games)
Ghost Recon - (2 games)
Hitman 2
Lego Games
Madden - (6 games)
Medal of Honor - (3 games)
Metal Gear Solid - Twin Snakes
Need for Speed - (5 games)
Rayman - (2 games)
Resident Evil - (6 games)
The Sims - (4 games)
Sonic - (6 games)
Tomb Raider Legend
Splinter Cell - (4 games)
Spiderman - (3 games)
Spyro - (3 games)
SSX - (3 games)
Star Wars - (5 games)
Timesplitters - (2 games)
Tony Hawks - (6 games)
Rainbow Six - (2 games)
Worms - (2 games)
WWE - (5 games)
X-Men - (4 games)

It got most of the big multiplat series, the gamecube had great third-party support.


Most of those are shovelware ports of churn out license and iterative based titles that are on every platform. These games (with the exception of RE4, which did a lot better on PS2 and Wii) aren’t classics like SNES third party titles such as Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy 6, Street Fighter 2, Super Castlevania, Terranigma, ActRaiser, etc... I’m pretty sure the Switch will beat the GC lineup easily; and soon. The Wii did, after all.

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DélioPT said:
Miyamotoo said:

Bragging is totally different thing, Nintendo also bragged about Zelda BotW or about MK8D sales, again, fact is that companies very rarely commented sales of games outside quarter results, Capcom, Bandai and SQ all commented sales at quarter results and I dont talk only about Switch games.

Here, Neogaf, Resetera...fact is that there are people that are buying Switch for full handheld mode for some 3rd party games, and some other maybe will not buy Switch just beacuse those games, but they will again buy some of those 3rd party games beacuse full handheld mode. You need to accept that handheld mode is one of main reasons why people are buying Switch and games for it.

No they didnt to say that and nobady relly says that. Its logical that when you have platform that sells great and with already solid instal base (already 10m in 9 months), and 3rd party games are actualy seling good on that platform, that platform will recive more and more support, esapcily when that platform cames after failed platform that left whitout any 3rd party support. Funny how you clerly keep ignoring fact that most 3rd parties that relesed games on Switch said they are satisfied with games and promised stronger support.

Well they can work in same time on PS5 version and Switch version of same game in same time if games and Switch are still selling good. Switch library can easily become better than GC even before PS5 comes on market.

Any port of good or bigger game for Switch is good offcourse. No, gamers dont buy consoles just for new games, they also buy them to play ports or remasters of good games that they missed or that they maybe offer some game changer thing (like full handheld mode in Switchs case). Capcom unannounced Mega Man 11 and new Ace Attorney games and both are new games, they announced bunch older ports and they said they are porting more games to Switch, SE specifically said: "we won't rule out any IPs. Those include new ones, currently active ones, currently not-active ones. Probably other platforms will get these too as part of multi, but we would aggressively make games for Switch". Talking about Bandai Namco: "Japanese video game publisher Bandai Namco is adding more resources in developing games for Nintendo's Switch, says President Mitsuaki Taguchi. "We have put 3 games on the Switch and all of them are doing well he said. It's a shame, but we didn't think the Switch [would] be accepted this fast". Koei Tecmo relased couple of games on Switch and they said they are "Extremely Happy” with Switch game sales so its expeted they will relase much more games. Konami said also that they are satisfied with Bomberman sales and that they have "lots of internal discussions going on within Konami regarding what games they can bring to the Nintendo Switch, other than Bomberman". Take-Two is very pleased with NBA 2K18’s sales on Switch, and they are “supportive of the platform corporately”.  Ubisoft said they are “very happy” with Switch sales, more games on the way. Telltale shares more praise for Switch, working to bring past titles over. I will not even mentioned Indies where we have every week some Indies saying how there game sold best on Switch, and we have every week dozens of new announcements.

 

You wrote "If Nintendo has streamlined their production, the release Schedule should be far superior to Wii U - as you implied before" and I gave you fact where you can see that Switch schedule is far superior compared to Switch. No you specifkly said its not good that Nintendo still dont have nothing for Q1, even its fact that Nintendo with Switch dont show evrething they preparing and they are mostly focusing on games that will be out in near future.

Yes two ports that are pretty good and strong games, not to mention that one was on Wii U that has very small instal base.

Even without Indies Switch is killing Wii U 1st year with 1st party games, great games is also one of main reasons why Switch is selling great.

Okay, let's wait for the reports to see how happy they are.

"Here, Neogaf, Resetera..."
Exactly what i thought: a few guys online saying the same thing and you take it as everyone.

Buying consoles for new games and also enjoying ports is not the same as buying a console for ports and more ports.
The majority of people buy a new console to experience something they couldn't do without it, not because they can get the same experiences.
Don't mistake people's rebuying some games as a sign that ports are the priority when they bought the console.

"Its logical that when you have platform that sells great and with already solid instal base (already 10m in 9 months)"
  Yes, it's logical to expect that but this is, so far, not happening because a) it's still a Nintendo userbase (?), b) i don't know why, but it's not happening.
What these companies should be saying is "we are bringing our future games to this console" and they didn't. Actually of the companies you listed, only Ubisfot and Toei seem to be going that route.

Capcom: ports
SE: ports (new or old)
Namco: ?
Konami: ?
Take-Two: "supportive of the platform corporately" (whatever this means)
Telltale: ports

See what a success story brought so far? 
Besides Ubisoft, did any company actively and clearly declared to be giving more support to Switch?

 

I'll say it again, PS5 might be too much for devs to port games to Switch and we aren't getting a lot of exclusive new games for Switch.

Indies do very little for HW purchases. 
In the end it won't matter if Switch got 10, 100, 1000 Indie games.

"If Nintendo has streamlined their production, the release Schedule should be far superior to Wii U - as you implied before"
  If i remember correctly, i also showed that in the first 10 months, Switch and Wii U had an even number of 1st party titles. 
That was what i was talking about.
So far, we haven't got a single confirmation of a 1st party title for Q1. It might happen with Yoshi or Kirby. But so far, we got nothing.

Splatoon also had a very small userbase... 
Some games sell, some don't.

We will wait, but judging based on popularity and sales on eShop Skyrim and Doom are selling quite well.

I never wrote everyone, again, fact is that there are people that are buying Switch for full handheld mode for some 3rd party games, and some other maybe will not buy Switch just beacuse those games, but they will again buy some of those 3rd party games beacuse full handheld mode.

But thats point, some can buy Switch for Zelda and handheld Skyrim. Full handheld mode for games is game changer for some people, I mean you have plenty of people that are using Switch just like handheld, actualy Nintendo survey showed that most people using Switch like handheld instead like home console. Take Two relased new game on Switch and we can expect more games.

But fact is that is happening and we will definitely have much more 3rd party announcements next year (we can bet if you want). Why would companies said "we are bringing our future games to this console" if they also want to bring some older ports!? It doesnt make sense, they will bring some new and some old games also.

Capcom actually announced two 3 new games, Ace Atorney, Mega Man 11 and Street Fighter Collection. SE is also relising Octopath Traveler thats new game. Namco said they are bringing 3 exclusive Switch games.  Again, we bouth agree that ports are also support, and I already wrote to you that ports of older games can be done fastest and that for ports or newer games porting is longer, so that why we mostly have now annucments of ports older games while bigger annucments will come later (next year).
See what a success story brought so far? Besides Ubisoft, did any company actively and clearly declared to be giving more support to Switch? You have some problem with reading!? They are all success stories and basicly all companies that I mentioned very clearly said the are giving more and stronger support to Switch.  

And Il say again, devs can work on PS5 and Switch version of game in same time if games and Switch are still selling good. You dont know how many exlusive games Switch will have so you cant say that "we aren't getting a lot of exclusive new games for Switch", espacily beacuse we already have Mario Rabbids, Fire Emblem Warriors, Octopath Traveler, Shin Megami Tensei V, No More Heroes and Bayonetta 3 announced in first 9 months of console, sp off course we will have much more exclusives getting announced. Bandai said they have 3 exlusives for Switch.

Indies are reaching lineup of every platform, more games is always better for any platform.

But point is that Wii U didnt has one single system seller or big game, we talking about night and day difrecens in that point. Point that there is no confirmation doesn't mean there will not single one 1st party game, and in any case we have 2 good exclusives for February for now.

There is difference when you have good game on failed console without future and good game on popular console with bright future.



Miyamotoo said:
DélioPT said:

What's stopping those companies from saying something? Nothing.
One month is more than enough for a comment or two. They don't have to wait for a meeting.

Old ports are support, indeed. Problem is you don't get new costumers with ports. In other words, gamers don't buy a console for ports.
You claim how great the support will become and you can only name ports and more ports. Not only that, you ignore what Capcom and SE never said: they still haven't said that Switch will get their best games. That is what should be happening, seeing as they are satisfied. But it's not.

Switch will get more SW despite PS5? You realise that Switch is not the core platform from which ports are made and that there isn't a whole lot of exclusive games (non-indies) from 3rd parties, right?
When PS5 arrives, there's the real danger that Switch won't be able to handle ports of those games.

"I alredy explained that Switch will getting much better and stronger 3rd party support than did this year, so Switch will easily have more and better games than GC had. "
And this is why you keep repeating yourself: you imagine a scenario and treat it as if it was reality. And when i try to ask for proof, you can't provide anything but your own expectations.
Reality is that we have a few non-japanese companies talking about how they liked Switch sales, but in a 200+ game library, that's too little;
You speak of an increase of support but we get is news of more and more ports and no signs that these same companies will improve their support (Capcom and SE's latest comments don't point to a better support).

 

"You also thouth thats bad sign for Q1 of 2018. because Nintendo didn't did not specifically said nothing about Q1 games, and now we have two Bayonetta games for February."
Forgive me for wanting more than ports from Nintendo. 
If Nintendo has streamlined their production, the release Schedule should be far superior to Wii U - as you implied before. Where are the 3 Nintendo games for Q1 - at least? If we get more ports than new games...

And speaking of FE, sales aren't mindblowing.
Also FE Warriors sales show that the IP isn't all that big.
So i'll say again: having FE as the biggest title revealed so far is not a good sign.

You have some very strange points, nothing stops them, but thats how they do, fact is that companies very rarely commented sales of games outside quarter results, Capcom, Bandai and SQ all commented sales at quarter results.

Actually you get new customers even with ports, we already saw plenty of people said they are buying Switch because they can play Skyrim, Doom or Rocket League in full handheld mode. You again missing point, even old ports can be quite popular on Switch because full handheld mode, and that wasn't case before for those games before. Of Course they never said "their best games", there is no sense to say something like that, much stronger support and much more games is enugh and expeted. Basicly Capcom and SQ said we are satisfied with sales of our games on Switch and we are satisfied with Switch sales, so we are gave Switch much stronger support, you cant spin that.

Yes, like I wrote, if games are still selling on Switch and Switch is still seling, 3rd parties will contine releasing games on Switch regardles new consoles, beacuse main point is offcourse profit.

No, this is point where you ignoring clear facts, almost all 3rd parties that relased games on Switch comented how they are satisfied with sales on Switch and promising stronger support (and we arledy see for instance how much games Capcom unancued for Switch in just last month). Also like I wrote, how Switch continue to sell great and instal base is rasing it will get much more 3rd party support, espacily beacuse good part of 3rd party take "wait and see aprouch" after Wii U. We already agree that ports are also support. Again, basicly Capcom and SQ said we are geting much stronger support and more games for Switch, but for you that "don't point to a better support"!? Relly!?

 

Its not point about ports, you wrote nothing in any case, you didn't said there will be some ports, you said there will be nothing, you were obviosly wrong. Offcourse that those two games will not be only games, for other Q1/Q2 games we will need to wait Nintendo Direct in January, and Switch linuep is far superior than Wii Us in any case (just open your eyes, images down).

Again, FE is being biggest one (I dont say its huge title) currently can't be bad sign because we still don't know nothing about most of 2018. lineup, bad sign would be if E3 2018. was finished and FE is still biggest one for 2018. You also thouth thats bad sign for Q1 of 2018. because Nintendo didn't did not specifically said nothing about Q1 games, and now we have two Bayonetta games for February.

 

Here are the releases during the first 9.5 months of the Wii U in 2012/2013:

https://abload.de/img/wii_u-games5mub4.png

Here are the releases during the first 9 months of the Nintendo Switch, as a comparison:

https://abload.de/img/switch-games1ps4b.png

For December 2017, there seems to be around 70 new titles (all digital release dates aren't announced yet).

 

 

spemanig said:

The Wii selling well didn't help, and it wasn't anchored by expensive carts. Switch isn't getting "much more announcements." It's getting throwbacks, and a tiny handful of multiplats. No reason to believe that any of that will lead to support approaching the SNES, which was essentially ubiquitous. Like I said, it's not even approaching GCN at this trajectory. Make a list of the multiplats Switch isn't getting in 2018, and tell me the future is as bright as the OP suggests.

I wrote that in OP, Wii had huge power difrence compared to PS3/Xbox360 and was tehnicaly very old, Switch power gap is much slower compared to XB1/PS4 and tehnicaly is on pair with them with support for all modern engines. In other words, ports are much more posible. I didnt said like SNES, but best after SNES. We still dont know almost nothing about 2018. Switch linuep (January Direct will be good start), but I wrote in OP why Switch will have much more 3rd party annucemnts than we had this year (almost all 3rd parties that relased games on Switch comented how they are satisfied with sales on Switch and promising stronger support. Also like I wrote, how Switch continue to sell great and instal base is rasing it will get much more 3rd party support, espacily beacuse good part of 3rd party take "wait and see aprouch" after Wii U).

 

...How much more powerful do you think the Switch is over the Wii U, dude? Because it's the current genre equivalent of "two gamecube duck taped together," with the GCNs in this scenario being Wii Us. It's not technically on par with them at all. The Wii's 3rd party problem was never ever power, and neither was the Wii U's, and neither will be the Switch. It has far greater issues to getting third party support, like audience and cartridges.

I never implied you said "like SNES." You claiming there will be much more 3rd party announcements, enough to back up your claim, is based on nothing. It's like saying the Wii U was going to get an influx of support because Black Flag was on it. A lot of companies promised a lot of things last generation that never happened. That's what PR is for. Switch selling means nothing for third party support with the constraints it has. Like I said, you're going off of a microscopic handful of games.

Like I said - bring me the list of games Switch isn't getting, because right now you're basing this off hopes. Reality is far less spectacular.



spemanig said:

...How much more powerful do you think the Switch is over the Wii U, dude? Because it's the current genre equivalent of "two gamecube duck taped together," with the GCNs in this scenario being Wii Us. It's not technically on par with them at all. The Wii's 3rd party problem was never ever power, and neither was the Wii U's, and neither will be the Switch. It has far greater issues to getting third party support, like audience and cartridges.

I never implied you said "like SNES." You claiming there will be much more 3rd party announcements, enough to back up your claim, is based on nothing. It's like saying the Wii U was going to get an influx of support because Black Flag was on it. A lot of companies promised a lot of things last generation that never happened. That's what PR is for. Switch selling means nothing for third party support with the constraints it has. Like I said, you're going off of a microscopic handful of games.

Like I said - bring me the list of games Switch isn't getting, because right now you're basing this off hopes. Reality is far less spectacular.

Doesnt matter how much powerfule is Switch over Wii U (its around 3x) but how much power and tehnical difrence is with Switch compred to PS4/XB1. Switch is technically actually more advanced than PS4/XB1 has more modern tech/architecture and probably more modern and newer IPs and tools. Actually Wiis biggest 3rd party problem was definitely huge power and technical difference compared to PS3/360 and Wii controls. Wii Us 3rd party problem is faile of Wii U like platform, Wii U started losing 3rd party support only few months after launche when start selling terrible, and left without almost hole 3rd party support in its 1st year. While Switch is totaly opposite its getting more and more announcements how time goes, Switch continue to sell great and intals base is growing.

Based on nothing!? Did you actualy read OP or what I replied to you!? Point that almost all 3rd parties that relased games on Switch comented how they are satisfied with sales on Switch and promising stronger support, or that how Switch continue to sell great and instal base is rasing it will get much more 3rd party support, espacily beacuse good part of 3rd party take "wait and see aprouch" after Wii U, is not based on nothing, you obviously ignoring fact and totally logical assumptions. No its not at all like Black Flag on Wii U, beacuse Wii U was seling terible and Black Flag also didnt had best sales on Switch, totaly oposite situation to Switch. Talking about PR, we are long past usual launch PR when companies saying how platform is great and they promising support, all this coments (good sales of games and promise of stronger and better support) about Switch from 3rd party in around last month are based on results from sales of their games and performance of Switch itself on market around 8-9 months after Switch launch. If there is successful platform and games that are actually sell on that platform, offocurse that platform will get more and more games, especially when that platform actually come after failed connsole and beacuse of that good number of 3rd parties took "wait and see aprouch".

How list of games that Switch is not getting has anything with this!? I wrote that Switch support will not be on pair of PS4/XB1 in any case,(GC and Wii also had much weaker support compared to PS2 and PS4/XB1), just that most likly Switch will have best 3rd party for any Nintendo platform after SNES, dont mean full suport like PS4/XB1.

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Miyamotoo said:
spemanig said:

...How much more powerful do you think the Switch is over the Wii U, dude? Because it's the current genre equivalent of "two gamecube duck taped together," with the GCNs in this scenario being Wii Us. It's not technically on par with them at all. The Wii's 3rd party problem was never ever power, and neither was the Wii U's, and neither will be the Switch. It has far greater issues to getting third party support, like audience and cartridges.

I never implied you said "like SNES." You claiming there will be much more 3rd party announcements, enough to back up your claim, is based on nothing. It's like saying the Wii U was going to get an influx of support because Black Flag was on it. A lot of companies promised a lot of things last generation that never happened. That's what PR is for. Switch selling means nothing for third party support with the constraints it has. Like I said, you're going off of a microscopic handful of games.

Like I said - bring me the list of games Switch isn't getting, because right now you're basing this off hopes. Reality is far less spectacular.

Doesnt matter how much powerfule is Switch over Wii U (its around 3x) but how much power and tehnical difrence is with Switch compred to PS4/XB1. Switch is technically actually more advanced than PS4/XB1 has more modern tech/architecture and probably more modern and newer IPs and tools. Actually Wiis biggest 3rd party problem was definitely huge power and technical difference compared to PS3/360 and Wii controls. Wii Us 3rd party problem is faile of Wii U like platform, Wii U started losing 3rd party support only few months after launche when start selling terrible, and left without almost hole 3rd party support in its 1st year. While Switch is totaly opposite its getting more and more announcements how time goes, Switch continue to sell great and intals base is growing.

 

When you state that it can be very misleading to people. wii u was in theory more advanced than 360 and PS3 in so called architecture but it was a very low performance version of that architecture compared to high end for their time versions of earlier architecture of the ps3 and 360. That's why gflops are important because it helps give a rough indication of power across different generations and architecture.

So even if there is some technical improvements in the architecture of Switch compared to PS4 and Xbox one clearly the Switch is massively inferior in performance. The huge downgrades in Doom to get it working on Switch compared to PS4 and Xbox one. Even games like LA Noire on Switch struggle to repeat the same experience as ps3 in many ways, draw distance is much reduced and there is actual slowdown on Switch where the gameplay itself becomes sluggish along with the frame rate drops. Many games drop below 720p to maintain frame rates. The Switch is a nice console but lets not get ridiculous about its performance. In cpu terms it is less than 360/PS3 in gpu terms much better docked and broadly similar in portable mode. Space is at a premium on Switch due to use of cartridges and flash memory so there is a push to downsize games but on the other hand there is that huge 4GB of memory which gives the system a significant boost in performance and the game engines it can handle. 

The Switch is performing exactly as expected for a Tegra chip with a down clocked CPU. Nintendo could be 2 generations away from offering anything as powerful as the Xbox one or PS4 in a hybrid format.  I mean its about 400 gflops docked, sub 200 gflops portable and PS4 is 1800 gflops that is a huge gulf that I'm not sure can be achieved in one generation for a hybrid.

The important thing is many games simply don't need a huge amount of power.  If you want huge sprawling realistic detailed worlds then power is important but the Switch achieves a good level of performance with the huge benefit of portability. No need to pretend somehow the Switch is competitive with PS4 or Xbox one in performance terms it isn't and no one seriously thinks it is.



I think “since the SNES” is a bit short-sighted. I think by year 3 Switch will be well ahead of SNES at the same point in its lifecycle. It’s what happens in year 4-6 that will be questionable, since SNES had arguably the best 4-6 of any console.

Last edited by Jumpin - on 15 December 2017

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