Switch will probably have best 3rd party support for Nintendo platform from SNES

[Miyamotoo]

DélioPT said:

Miyamotoo said:

You have some very strange points, nothing stops them, but thats how they do, fact is that companies very rarely commented sales of games outside quarter results, Capcom, Bandai and SQ all commented sales at quarter results.

Actually you get new customers even with ports, we already saw plenty of people said they are buying Switch because they can play Skyrim, Doom or Rocket League in full handheld mode. You again missing point, even old ports can be quite popular on Switch because full handheld mode, and that wasn't case before for those games before. Of Course they never said "their best games", there is no sense to say something like that, much stronger support and much more games is enugh and expeted. Basicly Capcom and SQ said we are satisfied with sales of our games on Switch and we are satisfied with Switch sales, so we are gave Switch much stronger support, you cant spin that.

Yes, like I wrote, if games are still selling on Switch and Switch is still seling, 3rd parties will contine releasing games on Switch regardles new consoles, beacuse main point is offcourse profit.

No, this is point where you ignoring clear facts, almost all 3rd parties that relased games on Switch comented how they are satisfied with sales on Switch and promising stronger support (and we arledy see for instance how much games Capcom unancued for Switch in just last month). Also like I wrote, how Switch continue to sell great and instal base is rasing it will get much more 3rd party support, espacily beacuse good part of 3rd party take "wait and see aprouch" after Wii U. We already agree that ports are also support. Again, basicly Capcom and SQ said we are geting much stronger support and more games for Switch, but for you that "don't point to a better support"!? Relly!?

 

Its not point about ports, you wrote nothing in any case, you didn't said there will be some ports, you said there will be nothing, you were obviosly wrong. Offcourse that those two games will not be only games, for other Q1/Q2 games we will need to wait Nintendo Direct in January, and Switch linuep is far superior than Wii Us in any case (just open your eyes, images down).

Again, FE is being biggest one (I dont say its huge title) currently can't be bad sign because we still don't know nothing about most of 2018. lineup, bad sign would be if E3 2018. was finished and FE is still biggest one for 2018. You also thouth thats bad sign for Q1 of 2018. because Nintendo didn't did not specifically said nothing about Q1 games, and now we have two Bayonetta games for February.

 

Here are the releases during the first 9.5 months of the Wii U in 2012/2013:

https://abload.de/img/wii_u-games5mub4.png

Here are the releases during the first 9 months of the Nintendo Switch, as a comparison:

https://abload.de/img/switch-games1ps4b.png

For December 2017, there seems to be around 70 new titles (all digital release dates aren't announced yet).

 

 

I wrote that in OP, Wii had huge power difrence compared to PS3/Xbox360 and was tehnicaly very old, Switch power gap is much slower compared to XB1/PS4 and tehnicaly is on pair with them with support for all modern engines. In other words, ports are much more posible. I didnt said like SNES, but best after SNES. We still dont know almost nothing about 2018. Switch linuep (January Direct will be good start), but I wrote in OP why Switch will have much more 3rd party annucemnts than we had this year (almost all 3rd parties that relased games on Switch comented how they are satisfied with sales on Switch and promising stronger support. Also like I wrote, how Switch continue to sell great and instal base is rasing it will get much more 3rd party support, espacily beacuse good part of 3rd party take "wait and see aprouch" after Wii U).

 

Funny, i remember every year Activision bragging about their CoD launches.
Not commenting, not a single twit is not something that i'm happy to see. To me, if sales would have been that great, they would have said something. 
But we'll see how satisfied they were.

"plenty of people said they are buying Switch because they can play Skyrim, Doom or Rocket League in full handheld mode."
Where did you get this "plenty" from? this website? Some random youtubers?
If 5 people bought a Switch for old ports you'd still be right, but that is not the point. The point is, that's not why the majority of people buy consoles. It might be ok, but after some time, people will want new games. It's only natural.

"Of Course they never said "their best games", there is no sense to say something like that, much stronger support and much more games is enugh and expeted."
So, to you, any support is good enough?
They should have said they would fully support or launch their best games on Switch and they didn't.
Your expectations that because people like handheld mode and Switch is selling great, therefore more support for Switch, aren't happening - when, by your logic, they should. I'm not saying that that kind of support won't happen, just that i haven't seen it and i won't expect it to happen just because handeld mode and Switch sales.

Let's put it this way: PS5 comes out > porting to Switch is either undoable or takes a lot of resources (money/people) > profits get smaller and smaller.
In this scenartio, Switch's library hardly becomes GC equivalent.

Almost all 3rd parties? Really?
Well, if you think a port is awesome, i garantee that you are in the minority. Gamers buy consoles for new games.
What i read from Capcom and SE were promises of older games - despite how great Switch sales are. Why didn't they say that + full support?

 

Who's talking about Wii U vs Switch support?
I never said that Q1 would have no games. In our previous chats i merely asked why wasn't Nintendo announcing them and then i asked if Yoshi, Kirby and FE was the best they could reveal for 2018. B1 and B2 for February hasn't changed that.

Again... awesome, we have two ports for February! More ports...

There's no real point in comparing Wii U's first 10 months with Switch's first 10 months.
Just in Indies, Wii U was the start of the Nindie initiative.

Bragging is totally different thing, Nintendo also bragged about Zelda BotW or about MK8D sales, again, fact is that companies very rarely commented sales of games outside quarter results, Capcom, Bandai and SQ all commented sales at quarter results and I dont talk only about Switch games.

Here, Neogaf, Resetera...fact is that there are people that are buying Switch for full handheld mode for some 3rd party games, and some other maybe will not buy Switch just beacuse those games, but they will again buy some of those 3rd party games beacuse full handheld mode. You need to accept that handheld mode is one of main reasons why people are buying Switch and games for it.

No they didnt to say that and nobady relly says that. Its logical that when you have platform that sells great and with already solid instal base (already 10m in 9 months), and 3rd party games are actualy seling good on that platform, that platform will recive more and more support, esapcily when that platform cames after failed platform that left whitout any 3rd party support. Funny how you clerly keep ignoring fact that most 3rd parties that relesed games on Switch said they are satisfied with games and promised stronger support.

Well they can work in same time on PS5 version and Switch version of same game in same time if games and Switch are still selling good. Switch library can easily become better than GC even before PS5 comes on market.

Any port of good or bigger game for Switch is good offcourse. No, gamers dont buy consoles just for new games, they also buy them to play ports or remasters of good games that they missed or that they maybe offer some game changer thing (like full handheld mode in Switchs case). Capcom unannounced Mega Man 11 and new Ace Attorney games and both are new games, they announced bunch older ports and they said they are porting more games to Switch, SE specifically said: "we won't rule out any IPs. Those include new ones, currently active ones, currently not-active ones. Probably other platforms will get these too as part of multi, but we would aggressively make games for Switch". Talking about Bandai Namco: "Japanese video game publisher Bandai Namco is adding more resources in developing games for Nintendo's Switch, says President Mitsuaki Taguchi. "We have put 3 games on the Switch and all of them are doing well he said. It's a shame, but we didn't think the Switch [would] be accepted this fast". Koei Tecmo relased couple of games on Switch and they said they are "Extremely Happy” with Switch game sales so its expeted they will relase much more games. Konami said also that they are satisfied with Bomberman sales and that they have "lots of internal discussions going on within Konami regarding what games they can bring to the Nintendo Switch, other than Bomberman". Take-Two is very pleased with NBA 2K18’s sales on Switch, and they are “supportive of the platform corporately”.  Ubisoft said they are “very happy” with Switch sales, more games on the way. Telltale shares more praise for Switch, working to bring past titles over. I will not even mentioned Indies where we have every week some Indies saying how there game sold best on Switch, and we have every week dozens of new announcements.

 

You wrote "If Nintendo has streamlined their production, the release Schedule should be far superior to Wii U - as you implied before" and I gave you fact where you can see that Switch schedule is far superior compared to Switch. No you specifkly said its not good that Nintendo still dont have nothing for Q1, even its fact that Nintendo with Switch dont show evrething they preparing and they are mostly focusing on games that will be out in near future.

Yes two ports that are pretty good and strong games, not to mention that one was on Wii U that has very small instal base.

Even without Indies Switch is killing Wii U 1st year with 1st party games, great games is also one of main reasons why Switch is selling great.

Last edited by Miyamotoo - on 14 December 2017