It’s moot comparing the PS4 to the Wii when we know the PS4 will pass the Wii’s lifetime sales.

Absolutely, it would be rediculous to claim games like Call of Duty & FIFA arent some of the biggest system sellers for PS4 but i did also list a handful on non-annual franchises like Watch Dogs, Destiny, GTA, Last of Us.

If I recall correctly, the majority of favorable comments were typical "oh, amazing" or were bringing up how many doubted Switch's success.

They weren't making an argument.

I noticed many of your posts were downvoted: http://www.vgchartz.com/article/270496/switch-was-the-best-selling-product-online-over-thanksgiving-black-friday-and-cyber-monday/

But I repeat, a downvote is vague and offers no feedback thus we cannot conclude who did it nor the motive.

1. Did you take into consideration the lack of discounts and bundles on the Switch's end?

2. It's not exclusive but Sony surely must have paid some price to exclusively market EA's recent debacle. Money that could have gone to the Bayonetta IP. Instead, it was Nintendo that rescued Bayonetta from being shelved indefinitely rather than Sony. Sony put their money on CoD, BF2, and Fifa.

Go play those games. They're not Bayonetta but perhaps you'll find them to your liking.

It wasn't going against a 199$ 4yo console either

Isn’t the console being 4 years old a detriment to that console? And back in 2014, the PS4 was going against the $149 3DS and the $199 WiiU though. And the $330 Xbox One.

Yes. I have engaged in it as well. Why? Because they did win those head to head With no discount.

And I will continue praising Nintendo when they win another.

If you really insist that price alone puts PS4 at the disadvantage than you have to account for it having a blu-ray player and other multimedia features, 15x as much storage, and like 5x as powerful.

And ps4 with the BOmB bOmB drops of $199. It looked like an easy X1 win months ago. Things changed.

That said if you cant predict yourself then dont criticise any1 else.

1. Nah, the PC has the biggest library.

2. So there’s no overlapping with regards to the console market and the handheld market?

3. The XB1 was actually cheaper than the PS4 for most of November 2014. May be why the X1 won by such a huge margin in Nov 2014. Those PS3 were actually very low so it could be stock issues. But the 3DS was also super cheap back then despite being relatively new.

I remember that pretty well. The general consensus was that Switch need release with $249 and a game bundled or else will fail.

Some even were saying to drop to $200. 

Of course people don't remember because those narrative was buried just after we have the numbers.

Remember "Switch launch was to quite"? Or Nintendo creating artificial demand? Switch owners desperate for games?

They will never learn and will always change their narrative instead of accepting that Nintendo created a great console.

The majority of sales for PS4 and XOne came from One S and PS4 Slim (both of which got massive discounts) not One X or Pro. Also, how is being up month by month and nearly matching PS4 and 3DS's first full November an indication that interest is falling? FYI, 3DS sold very similarly to Switch in its first November, but it got beaten by a huge margin by Xbox 360 and to a lesser degree by both Wii and PS3 in that month and 3DS did not end up failing. Not sure how people are thinking 770K is a bad number when the system is at full price while it's competitors had over $100 in hardware discounts and lots of software sales. Also, this is nowhere close to Wii U (where sales in its first full November was in the 200k territory).

They did mention December will probably be better for the Switch considering history. Plus the PS4 and Xbone has better deals. You can’t beat a $199 price tag with 4-year old established libraries.

To the first line, Isn't the 3rd or 4th year the prime years for majority of consoles. The fact it is actually able to compete is some what impressive, this was the same DOA console that actually seemed to get things right and hitting its stride, and now people are saying 800,000 in November is bad?

To the second line, Can also go the other way, since it is hybrid, the fact it actually beating 3DS/Vita at higher price point shows that it is indeed healthy.

It is all about value in the end, if consumers perceive value. For example: I thought PS4 at 399.99 has/had more value than 299.99 Switch, I bought both at launch. I think the Switch is tad bit overpriced, while I had no issue 399.99 PS4 pricing at the time. Also note Xbox One had games bundled in to also sweeten the pot with the price tag of 329.99, only reason it beat PS4 at 399.99 in my eyes. 

The thing is, these consoles are priced competitively to their value. We live in age where $1,000 Phone can easily beat $500 Phones, because of perceived value, and we still compare there market shares both unit and revenue. 

Third Line, I thought it might do more as well (My prediction was 1 million), however I do not remotely consider 800,000 bad numbers or failing. The issue is a lot of people in this thread are treating like switch is just going to disappear it this stage. One person even said it would do less than the gamecube (posted in another thread, but also posted in here similar lines). 

Fourth line, while I do not know if can keep up full momentum of being or beating 14 million in FY 2018-2019. I think it should still have healthy 10-12 million, Yes I do expect a price cut, and I do expect more solid games. The biggest title for it has yet to come out, which is Pokemon.  Also just going for $299.99 to $249.99 alone will not cut it, it will need solid library as well, which I believe it will have. 

Switch is $50 more expensive than the 3DS at launch and the latter needed a big price cut before it started to sell well.

If the PS4 was released at $299 it would have been an underpowered console and it would have lost against the more powerful Xbox One.

Do you have a crystal ball for that prediction? :P

Thats a benchmark because its very high so of course you use that. Your arguement of price doesnt come into play for this comparison? ($169 vs $299)

I mean this whole time you been saying comparison for ps4 first post launch nov isnt fair ($399) but because it twist into your downplaying its fine for 3ds to be compared right?

If switch does lets say 1.4mil i cant wait for you to downplay it xD

Not going to rub it in, just dont claim a high figure and when it sells underneath it say it didnt hit "expectations".

1.65mil is a high as number, switch i see doing a 1mil, maybe closer to 1.5mil if enough sells (obviously) but higher than that (though possible) as the benchmark seems wrong imo

Lol, almost 800 posts despite little concrete info. Clearly some feathers ruffled here, on both sides

Here you go (with an error bar on the Switch that assumes 825k ±75k to show the assumed range of 750-900k):

Are you using my avatar from christmas 2015, aren't you.

Good times haha