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Will the Switch fail just like the WII U?

Yes; without a strong 3rd party support 35 18.52%
 
No; Switch does not need 3rd party support 84 44.44%
 
Other 54 28.57%
 
See Poll Results 16 8.47%
 
Total:189

The Switch might pass the WiiU lifetime in 9 months...

Once a system reaches 25 to 30 million it has a large enough base draw good support. At worst I see a N64 fate.



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I think it will only go better. Nintendo has a lot of killer apps to be released on the Switch yet. Imagine how crazy it'll be when Pokémon releases, for example.



The third-party issue, provided it gets some key titles and exclusives (some exclusives I think from Japan would; but a GTA V port would help a lot), I don't think is going to be a major problem. Indies are already abundant on Switch. In addition, previous Nintendo handheld consoles did not really receive many of the games you mentioned and they still did fine. The biggest concern for Nintendo should be to make sure there is enough first-party content to maintain momentum and build relationships to bring certain key third-party games (like GTA V and Monster Hunter) over.

With that being said though, I too am skeptical (this stems from coming off of the Wii U situation). I would personally love for the Switch to succeed because I primarily game on portable devices (and I hope the Switch can fulfill the purpose of being my primary gaming device for a long time with hopes that Nintendo continues to support it fully for many years), and the Switch is offering something that so far is above what any mobile device offers at this moment in terms of game experiences. At the same time though, it is quite expensive when compared to the other systems, which could lead to momentum declining (particularly if Nintendo does not address the pricing the moment it becomes an issue). In addition, there is always the possibility that we could be heading into a drought year in 2018 with few evergreen Nintendo titles released for Switch (this year we got 4 major ones: 3D Zelda, 3D Mario, Splatoon, and Mario Kart; Nintendo has plenty of evergreen titles left but it is the timing that they release them in that keep momentum steady, increase it, or decline it). With smaller amount of third-party support, Nintendo needs to release high profile first-party games to make the investment worth it for gamers and to keep the system on people's minds. With Wii U and 3DS, we saw many instances of software droughts and development resources being allocated to projects that ended up not doing well with the core audience and not drawing in casuals (Wii Sports compilation on Wii U was a good example of this). Nintendo needs to ensure they have years with software like (in terms of both frequent releases, software quality, and software popularity) they did in 2017, and there is no guarantee that they will continue to do that.

For me to turn from skeptical to optimistic the system has to jump through two milestones for me.

1. By the first half of 2018 (ideally by the end of Nintendo's fiscal year in March) it has to have surpassed Wii U sales.

2. By the end of December 2018 it should have far surpassed GC (ideally it should be in the high 20 million to low 3o millions).

With a price cut and good software releases (like in 2017) I can see them easily doing that. However, if the price is kept the same and the software releases are too sparse or simply not appealing (which I assume would happen if they spend too many resources on trying to create too many highly casual type experiences that failed to capture casuals on 3DS and Wii U) then there is a good chance that we will be looking at another Wii U situation. One other factor is the announcement of the online service next year. The masses might not react to well to their free online suddenly being taken from them (with PS4 and XONE the online was paid from the start, so people knew what they were getting themselves into; for Switch, while Nintendo has said that the free service is just a trial, many people might not know that and might expect the online to remain free).



I don't think it will fail. It will probably take second place easily for this generation. I just don't think it will hit the Wii numbers many are predicting. If the latter is failing for Nintendo or the fan base, then that would count.

The problem could lie, if the next gen starts in 2019 and we get a Switch 2 on top, technically ending Switch 1s sales.



Flilix said:
Azuren said:

Excuse me, but literally none of those lacked enough third party support. One could argue that the Wii had bad third party support, but it was still abundant.

The 3rd party support for the Switch isn't bad either.

I never said anything in relation to the Switch. I was correcting a pretty big misconception in your post.



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mZuzek said:
Azuren said:

Excuse me, but literally none of those lacked enough third party support. One could argue that the Wii had bad third party support, but it was still abundant.

And just like that, you've explained why this won't be a problem for the Switch.

Not sure how I proved or disproved that. I was correcting a pretty big mistake in his post.



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All nintendo divisions are focus in one device now.Also,you'll see that a lot of mid-tier games will go with the switch instead of other consoles,since they have room to breath there.Also,the switch will have the first hd mainline pokemon game.

I'm sorry,but i think there's much more than AAA third party support in this discussion.



I can't even comprehend what's trying to happen here. You do understand that the Switch isn't succeeding due to casual gamers? These are real gamers playing the Switch, awaiting new software. Nintendo's handheld and console divisions are both working on one device. A luxury that Sony and Microsoft have had for a while. And what exactly is a failure in this case? Are you a shareholder or perhaps an executive at Nintendo that analyzes their profits and revenue to dictate such things?

And why do we still think that traditional western 3rd party games sell Nintendo consoles? Nintendo and Japanese software have ALWAYS driven sales of hardware on Nintendo platforms. The IP is strong enough to do that across Nintendo's repertoire and the Japanese devs that will support it. I mean it's the story of the NES, SNES , N64, Gameboy, GBA, DS, Wii, Wii U, and 3DS. The best selling software is Nintendo software or by Square Enix, Capcom, Level 5, Konami, Namco, etc. The Switch as a console is selling because of the versatility and the software. What's so hard to accept about this? Why do we have to keep having this conversation every Nintendo console when only 1 of them caused Nintendo financial failure?

No, the Switch probably won't get Anthem or Doom 2 or Red Dead 2, Cyberpunk, etc. But that doesn't mean it's doomed to fail. The Switch will continue to sell well because of games like Animal Crossing, Pokemon and Smash Bros. which have yet to launch and once the hardware sales get to a point of no return developers of any orientation will want a piece of that software pie. If even Sony can't ignore its success and sees it as competition, I don't see how we can act like Switch isn't a true competitor that's here to stay.

Last edited by Ljink96 - on 07 December 2017

Nintendo is going to be fine. You do not need to sell 100 million units to make money.



Absolutely, OP! As the year comes to an end, we are seeing the first cracks in the Switch "miracle" : rushed ports, handheld mode not keeping up, 3rd party sales not taking off, dubious or carefree publishers, little announcements for next year... If the January Direct doesn't meet (great) expectations, the sales momentum will be broken alongside the fans' dream of reconquista.