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Normchacho said:
Kerotan said:

So basically you agree with me. All you can say now is less relevant which still means it's relevant and important to them. As a single country only the US is more important. 

I haven't seen anybody say that Japan was totally irrelevant. You're arguing against a point that nobody is making.

Yeah yeah yeah but that's not what this thread is about. The point is the country is still very relevant and important to them which it is. You can't deny that.

 

And you can't deny that it's becoming less relevant over time.

I made this thread because certain posters with agendas keep downplaying it in Japan by saying Sony don't care about Japan or it's not important.

 

Who? Do you have am example of someone saying Japan doesn't matter to Sony?

Funny how painting the whole picture for you doesn't include things like heavily aging population, long work hours, small apartments, handhelds suit lifestyle far more. Oh yeah because they makes ps4 sales seem better given the situation. Anyway that's the bigger picture so try not to leave that part out in future.

 

How is listing off the reasons that Japan is less relevant to Sony than it used to be supposed to be an argument that it's still very relevant?

Answers in bold.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8642844

 

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8643185

 

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8643199

 

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8643230

 

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8643303

 

Here are people downplaying Japan. It's still very important and relevant to Sony.this gen ps4 is making a he'll of a bigger profit then ps3.



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Kerotan said:
Normchacho said:

Answers in bold.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8642844

 

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8643185

 

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8643199

 

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8643230

 

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8643303

 

Here are people downplaying Japan. It's still very important and relevant to Sony.this gen ps4 is making a he'll of a bigger profit then ps3.

You linked posts from 3 people, two of which are saying that Japan is LESS relevant for home consoles than it has been in the past, which is true. Which is undeniably true.



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Normchacho said:
Kerotan said:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8642844

 

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8643185

 

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8643199

 

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8643230

 

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8643303

 

Here are people downplaying Japan. It's still very important and relevant to Sony.this gen ps4 is making a he'll of a bigger profit then ps3.

You linked posts from 3 people, two of which are saying that Japan is LESS relevant for home consoles than it has been in the past, which is true. Which is undeniably true.

How is the country less relevant to Sony when this gen their home console is selling more then their last gen console? 

 

More importantly ps4 profits are massively bigger then ps3 was at this point last gen. Sony are a business who want profits and to me this makes Japan more relevant and important this gen.



Normchacho said:
Kerotan said:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8642844

 

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8643185

 

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8643199

 

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8643230

 

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8643303

 

Here are people downplaying Japan. It's still very important and relevant to Sony.this gen ps4 is making a he'll of a bigger profit then ps3.

You linked posts from 3 people, two of which are saying that Japan is LESS relevant for home consoles than it has been in the past, which is true. Which is undeniably true.

And by the way, i dont think its selling like shit there, i was just using that to counter his claim that its selling amazing in Japan, both are hyperbolic statements.



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Kerotan said:

All this generation we've listened to people act like Japan is irrelevant to Sony and the ps4. Saying this like Sony don't care and Japan isn't important . 

 

Well I checked the numbers and it looks like Japan is second only to the US.  It beats the UK and germany.  And this is despite launching later then these regions. Funny how these same people describe ps4 sales as amazing in the UK and germany. And they wouldn't dare call the UK/German market irrelevant and unimportant to Sony. 

 

PS4 Sales by country: 

#1 US 20m 

#2 Japan 5.4m 

#3 Germany 4.7m

#4 UK 4.3m

#5 France 3.7m

 

Let this kill the myth that Japan is not important to Sony and they'd not be bothered without it. They care a lot, I guarantee you that. 

Adjusted per capita

1. United Kingdom - .066 or 6.6% of total populatoin

2. United States - .061 or 6.1% of total population

3. Germany - .056 or 5.6% of total population

4. France - .055 or 5.5% of total population

5. Japan - .039 or 3.9% of total population

Adjusted per capita (excluding 65+ year olds.)

1. United Kingdom - .08 or 8.0% of gaming-aged population

2. United States - .073 or 7.3% of gaming-aged population

3. Germany - .072 or 7.2% of gaming-aged population

4. France - .068 or 6.8% of gaming-aged population

5. Japan - .058 or 5.8% of gaming-aged population

 

As you can see, Japan is lagging behind those other countries when we roughly adjust for population and age-demographics. 

 



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sc94597 said:
Kerotan said:

All this generation we've listened to people act like Japan is irrelevant to Sony and the ps4. Saying this like Sony don't care and Japan isn't important . 

 

Well I checked the numbers and it looks like Japan is second only to the US.  It beats the UK and germany.  And this is despite launching later then these regions. Funny how these same people describe ps4 sales as amazing in the UK and germany. And they wouldn't dare call the UK/German market irrelevant and unimportant to Sony. 

 

PS4 Sales by country: 

#1 US 20m 

#2 Japan 5.4m 

#3 Germany 4.7m

#4 UK 4.3m

#5 France 3.7m

 

Let this kill the myth that Japan is not important to Sony and they'd not be bothered without it. They care a lot, I guarantee you that. 

Adjusted per capita

1. United Kingdom - .066 or 6.6% of total populatoin

2. United States - .061 or 6.1% of total population

3. Germany - .056 or 5.6% of total population

4. France - .055 or 5.5% of total population

5. Japan - .039 or 3.9% of total population

Adjusted per capita (excluding 65+ year olds.)

1. United Kingdom - .08 or 8.0% of gaming-aged population

2. United States - .073 or 7.3% of gaming-aged population

3. Germany - .072 or 7.2% of gaming-aged population

4. France - .068 or 6.8% of gaming-aged population

5. Japan - .058 or 5.8% of gaming-aged population

 

As you can see, Japan is lagging behind those other countries when we roughly adjust for population and age-demographics. 

 

That's not my argument. 

 

To Sony goal sales are what matters. On top of this they manufacture the ps4 for Japan in Japan and also sell it an an average higher price then the EU. The profit margins on the hardware is surely higher from japanese sales. ToSony making more money from more sales make a Japan more important. e



Of course they care about Japan, because Japan is where a lot of unique videogames actually originate from.

The reason people are quick to trash on Japanese sales, particularly in regards to PlayStation, is because of a gigantic drop in sales over the years. The original PlayStation and the PlayStation 2 sold over 40 Million units combined. PSP sold 20 Million units.

The ratio of consoles sold between Europe and Japan for PlayStation used to be 2:1, but with Sony's failures over there the ratio for PS3 was 3:1, and the PS4 is edging ever closer to 5:1.

Japan is important, but it's no where near as important as it used to be. It's really rather pathetic to compare PS Japan of 15 years ago to PS Japan of 2017. All of this happens while Nintendo are still seeing platforms able to set the charts on fire - DS sold 33 Million, 3DS is at 24 Million and Switch is currently stomping the competition.

That's why people say Japan isn't a priority.



                            

Kerotan said:

That's not my argument. 

 

To Sony goal sales are what matters. On top of this they manufacture the ps4 for Japan in Japan and also sell it an an average higher price then the EU. The profit margins on the hardware is surely higher from japanese sales. ToSony making more money from more sales make a Japan more important. e

So there is much more involved in Sony's thinking than this. For example: 

1. They are thinking about which countries they'll have a future in ten to twenty years from now. Japan's aging demographics and minimal free-time culture make that very less likely. This is why handhelds are so popular in Japan. People can play them on their commute or at work. 

2. They are thinking about software sales in addition to hardware sales. In which countries can they sell the most software? 

3. They are thinking about to whom they can sell PS+ subscriptions. In which countries are people most likely to play online games, and subscribe to PS+? 

Remember, Sony is selling not just PS4's here, but other goods, which tend to be much more profitable than hardware. PlayStation is a whole ecosystem, not just the hardware. 

From that perspective, Japan just doesn't look that interesting to Sony. The developing world (China especially) and the Western world are much more viable markets for their strategy. 





sc94597 said:
Kerotan said:

That's not my argument. 

 

To Sony goal sales are what matters. On top of this they manufacture the ps4 for Japan in Japan and also sell it an an average higher price then the EU. The profit margins on the hardware is surely higher from japanese sales. ToSony making more money from more sales make a Japan more important. e

So there is much more involved in Sony's thinking than this. For example: 

1. They are thinking about which countries they'll have a future in ten to twenty years from now. Japan's aging demographics and minimal free-time culture make that very less likely. This is why handhelds are so popular in Japan. People can play them on their commute or at work. 

2. They are thinking about software sales in addition to hardware sales. In which countries can they sell the most software? 

3. They are thinking about to whom they can sell PS+ subscriptions. In which countries are people most likely to play online games, and subscribe to PS+? 

Remember, Sony is selling not just PS4's here, but other goods, which tend to be much more profitable than hardware. PlayStation is a whole ecosystem, not just the hardware. 

From that perspective, Japan just doesn't look that interesting to Sony. The developing world (China especially) and the Western world are much more viable markets for their strategy. 



That's a different argument and I agree with you. India is wherevrhey have the most future potential. It's obsessed with Sony and it's population will pass China out in future.

 

I'm talking now. But even be t gen I imagine ps5 will do well.



Right, and the Wii U died in Japan. Japan is all about portable gaming. Since Sony are so focused with their home console it's only natural that Japanese sales become less and less important. Sony is putting their resources into NA, EU, and the rest of the world right now since Japan's home console market has shrunk considerably.