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zorg1000 said:
Dont just look at the number, look at the size of the market.

PS4 accounts for over 1/3 of all hardware sales in the UK since 2014.

PS4 accounts for about 1/2 of all hardware sales in Germany since 2014.

PS4 accounts for under 1/4 of all hardware sales in Japan since 2014.

PS4 may have sold more in Japan than any individual European country but it represents a much smaller percentage of the overall market.

It doesn't mean the market is irrelevant like some are trying to claim, the main bulk of Japanese developed games don't do that well outside of the country especially in Europe, that 1/4 in Japan still pulls in far more for them than the rest of the world combined. This is why many games right now are being announced as PS4 and Switch with no X1 version, some people are trying to push a notion that Sony would be alright with out Japan when all that would do is surrender almost all third party support in the country to a competing platform.



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I see a lot of comments from aggressive Nintendo fans trying to bash the PS4. They seem way too eager to forget that Wii U was a thing, and was actually a direct competitor to the PS4 there, as both are dedicated home consoles and were competing for that demographic. Don’t suddenly pretend that that fight didn’t go well in PS4’s favor. Let’s be honest; if Switch didn’t have the heavy portability factor, and was a dedicated home console like PS4/ Wii U, it’s sales would be significantly different. You’re trying to compare apples to oranges. 



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DialgaMarine said:

I see a lot of comments from aggressive Nintendo fans trying to bash the PS4. They seem way too eager to forget that Wii U was a thing, and was actually a direct competitor to the PS4 there, as both are dedicated home consoles and were competing for that demographic. Don’t suddenly pretend that that fight didn’t go well in PS4’s favor. Let’s be honest; if Switch didn’t have the heavy portability factor, and was a dedicated home console like PS4/ Wii U, it’s sales would be significantly different. You’re trying to compare apples to oranges. 

This is true even if you ignore the PS4 vs. Wii U aspect. Japan just by and large doesn't buy home consoles anymore.

 

Hell, the gaming market in Japan is currently more than 75% handhelds not including the Switch (29 million handhelds, 8.8 million home consoles) Look at that compared to the other countries the OP was talking about.

Japan:  76.7% handheld. 23.3% home console.

Germany: 38.6% handheld. 61.4% home console.

UK: 33.7% handheld. 66.3% home console.

France: 50% handheld. 50% home console.

US: 33.4% handheld. 66.6% home console.

 

Nobody else is even close in their preference for handhelds. in most other major markets handhelds account for about 1/3rd of the dedicated gaming market, not more than 3/4 of it. There are several reasons why Nintendo decided to make the Switch portable. One of them is absolutely the shift in the Japanese market.

If Sony is leaving the handheld market, why on earth would Japan still be as important to them? (that's a more general question, it's not directed specifically at you)



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Wyrdness said:
zorg1000 said:
Dont just look at the number, look at the size of the market.

PS4 accounts for over 1/3 of all hardware sales in the UK since 2014.

PS4 accounts for about 1/2 of all hardware sales in Germany since 2014.

PS4 accounts for under 1/4 of all hardware sales in Japan since 2014.

PS4 may have sold more in Japan than any individual European country but it represents a much smaller percentage of the overall market.

It doesn't mean the market is irrelevant like some are trying to claim, the main bulk of Japanese developed games don't do that well outside of the country especially in Europe, that 1/4 in Japan still pulls in far more for them than the rest of the world combined. This is why many games right now are being announced as PS4 and Switch with no X1 version, some people are trying to push a notion that Sony would be alright with out Japan when all that would do is surrender almost all third party support in the country to a competing platform.

Well i never personally said that Japan is irrelevant for Sony, just that his numbers in the OP dont paint the whole picture.



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zorg1000 said:
Wyrdness said:

It doesn't mean the market is irrelevant like some are trying to claim, the main bulk of Japanese developed games don't do that well outside of the country especially in Europe, that 1/4 in Japan still pulls in far more for them than the rest of the world combined. This is why many games right now are being announced as PS4 and Switch with no X1 version, some people are trying to push a notion that Sony would be alright with out Japan when all that would do is surrender almost all third party support in the country to a competing platform.

Well i never personally said that Japan is irrelevant for Sony, just that his numbers in the OP dont paint the whole picture.

Under what I've just told you his numbers paint a significant story.



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Wyrdness said:
zorg1000 said:

Well i never personally said that Japan is irrelevant for Sony, just that his numbers in the OP dont paint the whole picture.

Under what I've just told you his numbers paint a significant story.

You havent told me anything that pertains to what i said.



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American domination though.



zorg1000 said:
Wyrdness said:

Under what I've just told you his numbers paint a significant story.

You havent told me anything that pertains to what i said.

It pertains to what you said because his point outlined in the thread is tackling the very notion that Japan is irrelevant and not important which if you're arguing against him that becomes your stance.



Normchacho said:
DialgaMarine said:

I see a lot of comments from aggressive Nintendo fans trying to bash the PS4. They seem way too eager to forget that Wii U was a thing, and was actually a direct competitor to the PS4 there, as both are dedicated home consoles and were competing for that demographic. Don’t suddenly pretend that that fight didn’t go well in PS4’s favor. Let’s be honest; if Switch didn’t have the heavy portability factor, and was a dedicated home console like PS4/ Wii U, it’s sales would be significantly different. You’re trying to compare apples to oranges. 

This is true even if you ignore the PS4 vs. Wii U aspect. Japan just by and large doesn't buy home consoles anymore.

 

Hell, the gaming market in Japan is currently more than 75% handhelds not including the Switch (29 million handhelds, 8.8 million home consoles) Look at that compared to the other countries the OP was talking about.

Japan:  76.7% handheld. 23.3% home console.

Germany: 38.6% handheld. 61.4% home console.

UK: 33.7% handheld. 66.3% home console.

France: 50% handheld. 50% home console.

US: 33.4% handheld. 66.6% home console.

 

Nobody else is even close in their preference for handhelds. in most other major markets handhelds account for about 1/3rd of the dedicated gaming market, not more than 3/4 of it. There are several reasons why Nintendo decided to make the Switch portable. One of them is absolutely the shift in the Japanese market.

If Sony is leaving the handheld market, why on earth would Japan still be as important to them? (that's a more general question, it's not directed specifically at you)

Very true, though I would say this thread does prove that there is at least somewhat of a market for home consoles there. Home consoles are at an obvious sales disadvantage, but PS4 can easily sell 10 million + consoles there, which is still no number to scoff at, especially after looking at the home console competition there. I think Sony is handling the market very intelligently by removing their main first party focus from there, but still putting money into third party content so that there is little loss, but still a good amount of gain. 



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Wyrdness said:
zorg1000 said:

You havent told me anything that pertains to what i said.

It pertains to what you siad because his point is tackling the very notion that Japan is irrelevant which if you're arguing against him that becomes your stance.

I literally just told you i dont think Japan is irrelevant for Sony.



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