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Forums - Sales - Japan sales (Week 47): Media Create/Famitsu/Dengeki - November 20-26, 2017

Green098 said:

I think Super Mario Odyssey and Mario Kart 8 Deluxe will both 1 million sellers in Japan by the end of 2017.

I also think Splatoon 2 be at 2 million by July 21st 2018 in Japan, maybe even closer to 2.5 million.

Its not if its how much over



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Wyrdness said:
Zekkyou said:

Yes, it's competing as a hybrid. Where do I say it's not? It being a hybrid doesn't mean it pulls an identical number of people from the home and handheld markets though, and i'm of the opinion that of those it's pulling from those two existing markets more are coming from the handheld side. You're free to disagree, but both of our positions are ultimately just speculation. I can't objectively prove the Switch has an overall handheld bias, anymore than you can prove the Switch is living in hybrid equilibrium with those two existing markets. On that basis my point to OTBWY was that it's a reasonable position, or specifically 'fair'. I think the alternative is also reasonable, i just happen to currently consider the one I've stated to be more compelling.

Your 2nd point is lost on me. The data literally says that 50% more people use it primarily (80%+ being Nintendo's definition) as a handheld than a home console. Does that mean i'm objectively right in general? Of course not, we don't know the specifics of the remaining 50%. They might have a home console bias that evens things out. That, however, is why my comment includes a clear qualifier "In the absence of more specific details from Nintendo, that implies a handheld bias.".

Because the person OTBWY was replying to pushes the notion that it competes more as a handheld which is the notion you're defending, what backs my hybrid stance is the very own data itself which shows the vast majority using both modes as the concept intended we don't need specific data to see that one. If the vast majority of users are dedicated to both modes than it's fair to say it's selling mostly as a Hybrid device compared to the notion of it selling to the bias of being portable.

I wish they gave a breakdown by region because i feel like Japan is far more likely to play primarily as a handheld than America/Europe.



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Wyrdness said:
Zekkyou said:

Yes, it's competing as a hybrid. Where do I say it's not? It being a hybrid doesn't mean it pulls an identical number of people from the home and handheld markets though, and i'm of the opinion that of those it's pulling from those two existing markets more are coming from the handheld side. You're free to disagree, but both of our positions are ultimately just speculation. I can't objectively prove the Switch has an overall handheld bias, anymore than you can prove the Switch is living in hybrid equilibrium with those two existing markets. On that basis my point to OTBWY was that it's a reasonable position, or specifically 'fair'. I think the alternative is also reasonable, i just happen to currently consider the one I've stated to be more compelling.

Your 2nd point is lost on me. The data literally says that 50% more people use it primarily (80%+ being Nintendo's definition) as a handheld than a home console. Does that mean i'm objectively right in general? Of course not, we don't know the specifics of the remaining 50%. They might have a home console bias that evens things out. That, however, is why my comment includes a clear qualifier "In the absence of more specific details from Nintendo, that implies a handheld bias.".

Because the person OTBWY was replying to pushes the notion that it competes more as a handheld which is the notion you're defending, what backs my hybrid stance is the very own data itself which shows the vast majority using both modes as the concept intended we don't need specific data to see that one. If the vast majority of users are dedicated to both modes than it's fair to say it's selling mostly as a Hybrid device compared to the notion of it selling to the bias of being portable.

I presented a new line of discussion related to the original, with that line being clearly defined in the first post. Who said what before then is irrelevant to me.

I don't believe the Switch is competing more as a handheld than a hybrid though, just more as a handheld than a home console. Those are two entirely separate positions on their own. I would consider a hybrid's default position in the market to be the line between a home console and a handheld, the 50% mark. However, between Nintendo's data and the lack of a visible effect on PS4's sales before, during, or after launch (despite the Switch's own considerable success), i think it's fair to say that the Switch is sitting outside of that exact 50% line. I might be wrong, but it seems reasonable to me ^^

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zorg1000 said:
Wyrdness said:

Because the person OTBWY was replying to pushes the notion that it competes more as a handheld which is the notion you're defending, what backs my hybrid stance is the very own data itself which shows the vast majority using both modes as the concept intended we don't need specific data to see that one. If the vast majority of users are dedicated to both modes than it's fair to say it's selling mostly as a Hybrid device compared to the notion of it selling to the bias of being portable.

I wish they gave a breakdown by region because i feel like Japan is far more likely to play primarily as a handheld than America/Europe.

Yeah, that would be nice. I'd love to see some demographic data too. Portability often has more practical benefits to an adult, but there's also more social stigma attached.



tbone51 said:
kazuyamishima said:
So in fact Japan Belongs to Nintendo, Europe to sony and Usa is a battle between Microsoft, Nintendo and Sony?

Am I forgetting something??

RotW which is sony too

Oh yeah, that one too.



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radishhead said:
UK is the 3rd largest market, right?

The real answer is that it changes. Overall, the 3rd largest market is Japan, because China is the world's largest gaming market.

If you ignore China, it fluctuates from UK, France, and Germany, but I'm pretty sure that Germany does a bit more on average due its stronger PC market which doesn't get as much weight in places like VGC.



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zorg1000 said:

I wish they gave a breakdown by region because i feel like Japan is far more likely to play primarily as a handheld than America/Europe.

Japan is the region most likely to use portable more than docked.



How in God's name can The New Colossus sell less first week than the atrocious Ark game?



kazuyamishima said:
So in fact Japan Belongs to Nintendo, Europe to sony and Usa is a battle between Microsoft, Nintendo and Sony?

Am I forgetting something??

Yes, you forgot to choose a side(if you're into this stuff) because unlike me who just want to read some news(be it good or bad), there will always be these people who will derail the effing thread to oblivion, and me ending up getting some snacks for the ride, wanna join me instead? This will never change.

Edit: Good job Switch for kicking ass this week(based on the title).



             

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Sunstrider said:
kazuyamishima said:
So in fact Japan Belongs to Nintendo, Europe to sony and Usa is a battle between Microsoft, Nintendo and Sony?

Am I forgetting something??

Yes, you forgot to choose a side(if you're into this stuff) because unlike me who just want to read some news(be it good or bad), there will always be these people who will derail the effing thread to oblivion, and me ending up getting some snacks for the ride, wanna join me instead? This will never change.

Edit: Good job Switch for kicking ass this week(based on the title).

Well it's kinda cool actually, I always come over here for the news, and I have plenty of popcorn for the salty threads :)