Forums - Sales Discussion - Japan sales (Week 47): Media Create/Famitsu/Dengeki - November 20-26, 2017

abroZ said:
Alkibiádēs said:
Selling 20k a week for this time of the year is bad, no amount of spin will change that.

This. 

End of discussion. 

Good thing ps4 sold 26k. End of discussion.

AngryLittleAlchemist said:
Kerotan said:
Lol he just ignores facts again. Conical. Japan was up like the rest of the world for Q1/Q2/Q3. Switch releasing has no negative impact.

A serious lack of software appealing to the Japanese has affected Q4. And there are no hardware revisions or price cut to artificially boost October and November this year. But yeah keep ignoring these facts. You are still yet to directly comment on these points. Laughable.

Who's fault is that? Because besides third parties, I can think of another answer

Stupid question. 

 

Sony and third parties generally target Q1 and Q2 for ps4 sales of Japanese targeted software. 



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Kerotan said:
abroZ said:

This. 

End of discussion. 

Good thing ps4 sold 26k. End of discussion.

AngryLittleAlchemist said:

Who's fault is that? Because besides third parties, I can think of another answer

Stupid question. 

 

Sony and third parties generally target Q1 and Q2 for ps4 sales of Japanese targeted software. 

Thats not stupid at all especially when your talking about 2016 holiday so much with FFXV.

 

That said sony tends to have stronger Q1 than nintendo going by trends, but dont make excuses for having a bad Q4 lineup. If anything then its stupid on them for letting go the most important quarter of the year wouldnt you agree?

 

Look at Western Devs. COD/AC/Battlefield/etc is all launched in Q4. Fifa being a Sept release is smart for it, but not having games for holidays (japan in this case) isnt that smart tbh. COD is the biggest seller for the holidays for the ps4 vs SMO/USUM/Splat2/Botw/etc.



tbone51 said:
Kerotan said:

Good thing ps4 sold 26k. End of discussion.

Stupid question. 

 

Sony and third parties generally target Q1 and Q2 for ps4 sales of Japanese targeted software. 

Thats not stupid at all especially when your talking about 2016 holiday so much with FFXV.

 

That said sony tends to have stronger Q1 than nintendo going by trends, but dont make excuses for having a bad Q4 lineup. If anything then its stupid on them for letting go the most important quarter of the year wouldnt you agree?

 

Look at Western Devs. COD/AC/Battlefield/etc is all launched in Q4. Fifa being a Sept release is smart for it, but not having games for holidays (japan in this case) isnt that smart tbh. COD is the biggest seller for the holidays for the ps4 vs SMO/USUM/Splat2/Botw/etc.

I honestly don't know if it's stupid or not. Sony still by decent holiday sales anyway but they also get a really good q1 and q2 thanks to this tactic. 

 

Stupid or not Sony don't have any ips that will drastically affect sales in the holiday or not. 

 

They are dependant on titles like FFXV , DQ11 , MHW rtf releasing in December if they are to get an unnaturally big holiday bump. There's obviously logic behind MHW and DQ11 not releasing at Christmas.  

 

FFXV released in December because SE were desperate to get it out during the holiday for the west. Nothing to do with Japan. 



Miyamotoo said: 

But your data dont prove anuting, fact is that there is good chanche that PS4 will be below or flat to last year sales in Japan, while on evre other market while be notcible up YOY is prove alone. PS4 had massive Q4 last year in other markets too, before this year last year was best PS4 on evre market. PS4 was notcible up YOY on west even before BF deals on west. West always have more sutible games than PS4 in Japan in any case, for each quarter.

PS4 was only available home console last year (Switch is also home console in same time), Wii U was dying and in huge decline, so effectively PS4 was only home console on market. Of Course that most people are buying only one gaming device per year, actually good number of them buying just one gaming devaice per generation. 

Of Course that some part of 3DS owners want to upgrade to Switch even Switch is much more expensive than 3DS and majority of 3DS sales were when 3DS was around $150>. But I dont talking about those users or Nintendo fans, you have new users, ex Vita, PS3, Wii U...point that you want to made that just Nintendo fans are buying Switch is totaly wrong.

Switch definitely started affecting on PS4 sales, and that will be most obvious during holiday season because huge Switch popularity and because fact that Nintendo consoles always have better holiday seasons compared to Sony consoles (of course that most people buying one console during holiday season). Again, I explained to you that point that 1st party games are most popular on Switch doesnt mean that they are selling just to Nintendo fans. We already seeing plenty of people that saying that Switch is their first Nintendo console in long time (in couple of generations) or even first Nintendo console ever.

The data I presented proves nothing? lol. Also, bold proves my point right? West has suitable games for the PS4 while Japan in Q4 doesn't have suitable games for it.
Also, do you think Japanese gamers will buy because Switch is a home console? You should know that it is handheld as well which we both know is very huge in Japan. That is not the selling point of Switch.  This is what I hate about this topic. Some of you uses the handheld and Home console when it's convenient for your argument.  


Now let's use a different set of data I highly handpicked weeks that Switch is doing amazing numbers or how Sony is up even with Switch doing amazing numbers. See PS4 sales and how it's trending even with Switch around? See how PS4 sales fluctuate?

Week 9 2016 - 28,863 
Week 9 2017 -37,807 ( Switch Launch)/ Switch - 329,152


Week 10 2016 - 27,341
Week 10 2017 - 35,300 (Post Switch launch) / Switch: 61.998

Week 11 2016 - 27,354
Week 11 2017 - 34,628 / Switch: 49.913


Week 12 2016 - 34,377
Week 12 2016 - 30,733 / Switch: 78.441

Week 13 2016 - 30,057 
Week 13 2017 - 30,081  / Switch: 45.509

Week 14 2016 -  23,889 
Week 14 2017 -  24,512 / Switch: 41.193

Week 15 2016 - 20,257 
Week 15 2017 - 21,922 /  Switch: 45.673

Week 16 2016 - 20,589
Week 16 2017 - 19.334  / Switch: 48.694

Week 17 2016 - 28,578
Week 17 2017 - 25,303  / Switch: 76.679

Week 18 2016 - 24,880
Week 18 2017 - 27,954   / Switch: 47.911

Week 24 - 20.214 
Week 24 -24.046 / Switch: 37,709  (Arms) 

Week 28 2016 - 20,395
Week 28 2017 - 36,218  / Switch: 31.906

Week 29 2016 - 20,021 
Week 29 2017 - 30,878 / (Splatoon Launch) Switch:98.999


Week 30 2016 - 20,567
Week 30 2017 - 93,356  / Switch:89.314


Week 31 2016 - 16,469
Week 31 2017- 52,939 / Switch:61.933


Week 322016 - 17,433
Week 32 2017- 42,462 / Switch: 87.798


Week 34 2016- 5.812
Week 34 2017- 24.658 / Switch: 69.654 


Week 35 2016 -  1.828
Week 35 2017 - 26.384  / Switch: 50.074


Week 36, 2016 - 560
Week 36 2017 - 29.482 / Switch: 45.439


Week 39 ,2016 - 36.251 
Week, 39, 2017 - 29.369 / Switch: 73.231

Now kindly explained to me on why PS4 is up or down by a little when Switch is doing amazing numbers on those weeks? I even bold where PS4 i up by a lot so at least you won't igno.. I mean missed it.

Click the link if you want to see sales from every this year when Switch launched. http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8647546

On Paragraph 3. Are you sure only some of 3DS user are upgrading and mostly all the people buying it are choosing between PS4 and Switch?
Can you show me data to prove this?

Paragraph 4. Thank you for proving my point. Historically speaking and according to you a fact which we both agree. Nintendo console tends to sell better in the holidays as opposed to Sony cconsole. 2016 for the PS4 is an anomaly because it had a great line-up when it entered the holiday season. PS4 tends to be weaker on the holiday because of their weak line-up. So again thank you for proving my point. I appreciate it. 
Also about your other argument please show me the receipt that it is their first Nintendo Console. 





NoCtiS_NoX said:
Miyamotoo said: 

But your data dont prove anuting, fact is that there is good chanche that PS4 will be below or flat to last year sales in Japan, while on evre other market while be notcible up YOY is prove alone. PS4 had massive Q4 last year in other markets too, before this year last year was best PS4 on evre market. PS4 was notcible up YOY on west even before BF deals on west. West always have more sutible games than PS4 in Japan in any case, for each quarter.

PS4 was only available home console last year (Switch is also home console in same time), Wii U was dying and in huge decline, so effectively PS4 was only home console on market. Of Course that most people are buying only one gaming device per year, actually good number of them buying just one gaming devaice per generation. 

Of Course that some part of 3DS owners want to upgrade to Switch even Switch is much more expensive than 3DS and majority of 3DS sales were when 3DS was around $150>. But I dont talking about those users or Nintendo fans, you have new users, ex Vita, PS3, Wii U...point that you want to made that just Nintendo fans are buying Switch is totaly wrong.

Switch definitely started affecting on PS4 sales, and that will be most obvious during holiday season because huge Switch popularity and because fact that Nintendo consoles always have better holiday seasons compared to Sony consoles (of course that most people buying one console during holiday season). Again, I explained to you that point that 1st party games are most popular on Switch doesnt mean that they are selling just to Nintendo fans. We already seeing plenty of people that saying that Switch is their first Nintendo console in long time (in couple of generations) or even first Nintendo console ever.

The data I presented proves nothing? lol. Also, bold proves my point right? West has suitable games for the PS4 while Japan in Q4 doesn't have suitable games for it.
Also, do you think Japanese gamers will buy because Switch is a home console? You should know that it is handheld as well which we both know is very huge in Japan. That is not the selling point of Switch.  This is what I hate about this topic. Some of you uses the handheld and Home console when it's convenient for your argument.  


Now let's use a different set of data I highly handpicked weeks that Switch is doing amazing numbers or how Sony is up even with Switch doing amazing numbers. See PS4 sales and how it's trending even with Switch around? See how PS4 sales fluctuate?

Week 9 2016 - 28,863 
Week 9 2017 -37,807 ( Switch Launch)/ Switch - 329,152


Week 10 2016 - 27,341
Week 10 2017 - 35,300 (Post Switch launch) / Switch: 61.998

Week 11 2016 - 27,354
Week 11 2017 - 34,628 / Switch: 49.913


Week 12 2016 - 34,377
Week 12 2016 - 30,733 / Switch: 78.441

Week 13 2016 - 30,057 
Week 13 2017 - 30,081  / Switch: 45.509

Week 14 2016 -  23,889 
Week 14 2017 -  24,512 / Switch: 41.193

Week 15 2016 - 20,257 
Week 15 2017 - 21,922 /  Switch: 45.673

Week 16 2016 - 20,589
Week 16 2017 - 19.334  / Switch: 48.694

Week 17 2016 - 28,578
Week 17 2017 - 25,303  / Switch: 76.679

Week 18 2016 - 24,880
Week 18 2017 - 27,954   / Switch: 47.911

Week 24 - 20.214 
Week 24 -24.046 / Switch: 37,709  (Arms) 

Week 28 2016 - 20,395
Week 28 2017 - 36,218  / Switch: 31.906

Week 29 2016 - 20,021 
Week 29 2017 - 30,878 / (Splatoon Launch) Switch:98.999


Week 30 2016 - 20,567
Week 30 2017 - 93,356  / Switch:89.314


Week 31 2016 - 16,469
Week 31 2017- 52,939 / Switch:61.933


Week 322016 - 17,433
Week 32 2017- 42,462 / Switch: 87.798


Week 34 2016- 5.812
Week 34 2017- 24.658 / Switch: 69.654 


Week 35 2016 -  1.828
Week 35 2017 - 26.384  / Switch: 50.074


Week 36, 2016 - 560
Week 36 2017 - 29.482 / Switch: 45.439


Week 39 ,2016 - 36.251 
Week, 39, 2017 - 29.369 / Switch: 73.231

Now kindly explained to me on why PS4 is up or down by a little when Switch is doing amazing numbers on those weeks? I even bold where PS4 i up by a lot so at least you won't igno.. I mean missed it.

Click the link if you want to see sales from every this year when Switch launched. http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8647546

On Paragraph 3. Are you sure only some of 3DS user are upgrading and mostly all the people buying it are choosing between PS4 and Switch?
Can you show me data to prove this?

Paragraph 4. Thank you for proving my point. Historically speaking and according to you a fact which we both agree. Nintendo console tends to sell better in the holidays as opposed to Sony cconsole. 2016 for the PS4 is an anomaly because it had a great line-up when it entered the holiday season. PS4 tends to be weaker on the holiday because of their weak line-up. So again thank you for proving my point. I appreciate it. 
Also about your other argument please show me the receipt that it is their first Nintendo Console. 

 

West always have more suitable games than PS4 in Japan in any case, for each quarter, so that's not situation just for this quarter, and that's actually one of reasons why PS4 is not selling so much better than PS3 in Japan like its seelling in rest of world where is selling almost twice better. Some people that prefer home console can buy Switch of course, because Switch is home console also in same time, it's appealing to handheld and home consoles lovers in same time, that wasn't case for instance for 3DS, but offcourse that home console part has bigger effect on west compared to Japan.

Talking about effect, I think that Switch started affecting on PS4 sales mostly in November and that will effect in December also.

 

OF course that not all 3DS owners want to upgrade to $300 Swift currently, second I never said that "mostly all the people buying it are choosing between PS4 and Switch" just that some people definitely are choosing between PS4 and Switch. You dont need any data for that, thats common sense, and I cant gave you data for that, but fact is that there are plenty people for which Switch is their first Nintendo console in long time (in couple of generations) or even first Nintendo console ever. Point that you wanted to made that just Nintendo fans are buying Switch is totaly wrong.

Talking about 4. paragraph, Sony consoles tends to be weaker compared to Nintendo platforms in Japan during holiday, but Sony also have better sales during December compared to previous months, and last 3 weeks PS4 sales are basicly same, only around 25k even we entering in December (it will be intresting to see tomorow numbers for last week sales). 

Last edited by Miyamotoo - on 05 December 2017

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Miyamotoo said:
NoCtiS_NoX said:

The data I presented proves nothing? lol. Also, bold proves my point right? West has suitable games for the PS4 while Japan in Q4 doesn't have suitable games for it.
Also, do you think Japanese gamers will buy because Switch is a home console? You should know that it is handheld as well which we both know is very huge in Japan. That is not the selling point of Switch.  This is what I hate about this topic. Some of you uses the handheld and Home console when it's convenient for your argument.  


Now let's use a different set of data I highly handpicked weeks that Switch is doing amazing numbers or how Sony is up even with Switch doing amazing numbers. See PS4 sales and how it's trending even with Switch around? See how PS4 sales fluctuate?

Week 9 2016 - 28,863 
Week 9 2017 -37,807 ( Switch Launch)/ Switch - 329,152


Week 10 2016 - 27,341
Week 10 2017 - 35,300 (Post Switch launch) / Switch: 61.998

Week 11 2016 - 27,354
Week 11 2017 - 34,628 / Switch: 49.913


Week 12 2016 - 34,377
Week 12 2016 - 30,733 / Switch: 78.441

Week 13 2016 - 30,057 
Week 13 2017 - 30,081  / Switch: 45.509

Week 14 2016 -  23,889 
Week 14 2017 -  24,512 / Switch: 41.193

Week 15 2016 - 20,257 
Week 15 2017 - 21,922 /  Switch: 45.673

Week 16 2016 - 20,589
Week 16 2017 - 19.334  / Switch: 48.694

Week 17 2016 - 28,578
Week 17 2017 - 25,303  / Switch: 76.679

Week 18 2016 - 24,880
Week 18 2017 - 27,954   / Switch: 47.911

Week 24 - 20.214 
Week 24 -24.046 / Switch: 37,709  (Arms) 

Week 28 2016 - 20,395
Week 28 2017 - 36,218  / Switch: 31.906

Week 29 2016 - 20,021 
Week 29 2017 - 30,878 / (Splatoon Launch) Switch:98.999


Week 30 2016 - 20,567
Week 30 2017 - 93,356  / Switch:89.314


Week 31 2016 - 16,469
Week 31 2017- 52,939 / Switch:61.933


Week 322016 - 17,433
Week 32 2017- 42,462 / Switch: 87.798


Week 34 2016- 5.812
Week 34 2017- 24.658 / Switch: 69.654 


Week 35 2016 -  1.828
Week 35 2017 - 26.384  / Switch: 50.074


Week 36, 2016 - 560
Week 36 2017 - 29.482 / Switch: 45.439


Week 39 ,2016 - 36.251 
Week, 39, 2017 - 29.369 / Switch: 73.231

Now kindly explained to me on why PS4 is up or down by a little when Switch is doing amazing numbers on those weeks? I even bold where PS4 i up by a lot so at least you won't igno.. I mean missed it.

Click the link if you want to see sales from every this year when Switch launched. http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8647546

On Paragraph 3. Are you sure only some of 3DS user are upgrading and mostly all the people buying it are choosing between PS4 and Switch?
Can you show me data to prove this?

Paragraph 4. Thank you for proving my point. Historically speaking and according to you a fact which we both agree. Nintendo console tends to sell better in the holidays as opposed to Sony cconsole. 2016 for the PS4 is an anomaly because it had a great line-up when it entered the holiday season. PS4 tends to be weaker on the holiday because of their weak line-up. So again thank you for proving my point. I appreciate it. 
Also about your other argument please show me the receipt that it is their first Nintendo Console. 

 

West always have more suitable games than PS4 in Japan in any case, for each quarter, so that's not situation just for this quarter, and that's actually one of reasons why PS4 is not selling so much better than PS3 in Japan like its seelling in rest of world where is selling almost twice better. Some people that prefer home console can buy Switch of course, because Switch is home console also in same time, it's appealing to handheld and home consoles lovers in same time, that wasn't case for instance for 3DS, but offcourse that home console part has bigger effect on west compared to Japan.

Talking about effect, I think that Switch started affecting on PS4 sales mostly in November and that will effect in December also.

 

OF course that not all 3DS owners want to upgrade to $300 Swift currently, second I never said that "mostly all the people buying it are choosing between PS4 and Switch" just that some people definitely are choosing between PS4 and Switch. You dont need any data for that, thats common sense, and I cant gave you data for that, but fact is that there are plenty people for which Switch is their first Nintendo console in long time (in couple of generations) or even first Nintendo console ever. Point that you wanted to made that just Nintendo fans are buying Switch is totaly wrong.

Talking about 4. paragraph, Sony consoles tends to be weaker compared to Nintendo platforms in Japan during holiday, but Sony also have better sales during December compared to previous months, and last 3 weeks PS4 sales are basicly same, only around 25k even we entering in December (it will be intresting to see tomorow numbers for last week sales). 

Yes that's the point west always has a suitable games for the PS4 that's why it's not surprising it will have a massive BF week or even up YOY. It's funny you are still using it as your main source of argument because PS4 down is down YOY.

Let's just be clear. Your main argument is Switch sales right now is having a negative effect on PS4 sales. I presented you data that PS4 is selling like PS4. 
How can PS4 Q4 2017 (ffxv, Yakuza 6, Last guardian, SD gundam, COD, Fate game, Pro Launch and Slim's first holiday) will beat Q4 2016 ( COD, GTS, Yakuza Kiwami 2 and MHW pro LE). PS4 had a strong Q4 last year. That's why it is down. Are you insuanating that it doesn't have an effect on why it is down? Also, are you telling us that having only, GTS and COD on Q4 currently doesn't have an effect on it's sales?
You are not addressing it and keep dodging this valid point.

If your main argument revolves because it's down YOY.  You have to take a look on why it's down in the first place from last year.
Also, don't ignore that it's still up YTD. 

Show me a receipt on all the things you are claiming because PS4 in it's 4th year already which you are forgetting. 
I even provide you data so you can see sales trend of the PS4. Sales spiked whenever there's a notable games. So don't keep on dodging all the valid points that I presented and moved the goal post whenever I point it out to you.

The bold is all you have "you think" with out any data to back it up.


Also, Dengeki is up I forgot to tell you guys.



NoCtiS_NoX said:
Miyamotoo said:

West always have more suitable games than PS4 in Japan in any case, for each quarter, so that's not situation just for this quarter, and that's actually one of reasons why PS4 is not selling so much better than PS3 in Japan like its seelling in rest of world where is selling almost twice better. Some people that prefer home console can buy Switch of course, because Switch is home console also in same time, it's appealing to handheld and home consoles lovers in same time, that wasn't case for instance for 3DS, but offcourse that home console part has bigger effect on west compared to Japan.

Talking about effect, I think that Switch started affecting on PS4 sales mostly in November and that will effect in December also.

 

OF course that not all 3DS owners want to upgrade to $300 Swift currently, second I never said that "mostly all the people buying it are choosing between PS4 and Switch" just that some people definitely are choosing between PS4 and Switch. You dont need any data for that, thats common sense, and I cant gave you data for that, but fact is that there are plenty people for which Switch is their first Nintendo console in long time (in couple of generations) or even first Nintendo console ever. Point that you wanted to made that just Nintendo fans are buying Switch is totaly wrong.

Talking about 4. paragraph, Sony consoles tends to be weaker compared to Nintendo platforms in Japan during holiday, but Sony also have better sales during December compared to previous months, and last 3 weeks PS4 sales are basicly same, only around 25k even we entering in December (it will be intresting to see tomorow numbers for last week sales). 

Yes that's the point west always has a suitable games for the PS4 that's why it's not surprising it will have a massive BF week or even up YOY. It's funny you are still using it as your main source of argument because PS4 down is down YOY.

Let's just be clear. Your main argument is Switch sales right now is having a negative effect on PS4 sales. I presented you data that PS4 is selling like PS4. 
How can PS4 Q4 2017 (ffxv, Yakuza 6, Last guardian, SD gundam, COD, Fate game, Pro Launch and Slim's first holiday) will beat Q4 2016 ( COD, GTS, Yakuza Kiwami 2 and MHW pro LE). PS4 had a strong Q4 last year. That's why it is down. Are you insuanating that it doesn't have an effect on why it is down? Also, are you telling us that having only, GTS and COD on Q4 currently doesn't have an effect on it's sales?
You are not addressing it and keep dodging this valid point.

If your main argument revolves because it's down YOY.  You have to take a look on why it's down in the first place from last year.
Also, don't ignore that it's still up YTD. 

Show me a receipt on all the things you are claiming because PS4 in it's 4th year already which you are forgetting. 
I even provide you data so you can see sales trend of the PS4. Sales spiked whenever there's a notable games. So don't keep on dodging all the valid points that I presented and moved the goal post whenever I point it out to you.

The bold is all you have "you think" with out any data to back it up.


Also, Dengeki is up I forgot to tell you guys.

But thats point PS4 is selling like last year in Japan while evre new year PS4 was selling better than previous, thats why this year will be easily best selling PS4 year from launch in world, while thats not certain only for Japan market.

I dont ignore that still YTD and it will be interesting to see if will at end of year PS4 will be up, down or flat YOY compared to last year, while it was noticeable up YOY in every other market before BF deals. But point that last 3 weeks PS4 is around 25k without any improvements doesn't look good, it will be intresting to see tomorow sales.

But I don't need data to back up for such obvious things, of course there are people that will choose between two consoles, ofcourse there Switch buyers that are not Nintendo fans, ofcourse that not only 3DS owners are buying Switch. Like I wrote, we even here on site had several threads buy people that having Nintendo console for first time ever or that they didn't had one couple of generations.+



Miyamotoo said:

But thats point PS4 is selling like last year in Japan while evre new year PS4 was selling better than previous, thats why this year will be easily best selling PS4 year from launch in world, while thats not certain only for Japan market.

I dont ignore that still YTD and it will be interesting to see if will at end of year PS4 will be up, down or flat YOY compared to last year, while it was noticeable up YOY in every other market before BF deals. But point that last 3 weeks PS4 is around 25k without any improvements doesn't look good, it will be intresting to see tomorow sales.

But I don't need data to back up for such obvious things, of course there are people that will choose between two consoles, ofcourse there Switch buyers that are not Nintendo fans, ofcourse that not only 3DS owners are buying Switch. Like I wrote, we even here on site had several threads buy people that having Nintendo console for first time ever or that they didn't had one couple of generations.+

1st paragraph and why do you think it's down in Japan from last year? Does PS4 have any notable game, Slim and Pro in Japan this year compare to last year?

2nd Why do you think it's only selling less in Japan if you compare it the west? In the west COD, Starwars, Assassin's creed, Fifa and PS4 exclusive GTS (west is the biggest market for this game) VS Japan COD and GTS (the only 2 game that managed to sell 100K in first week). Answer me honestly is that appealing to the Japanese audience?

3rd yes you will need data for it because Switch cannot have a negative effect on PS4 if it's sold out most of the time. Where's the I will choose Switch  over PS4 when it's not available on my store? See that's dilemma. They want a Switch but they can't buy it because it is sold out. Like I mentioned. PS4 is never part of that equation they never wanted PS4 to begin with because even if Switch is sold out there's no positive effect from the PS4. It's still selling normally when there's no game to appeal to them. it will sell a lot if there's a big game or notable game on that week. That's trend that you are ignoring. That's not stealing or having a negative effect because of the Switch. PS4 is never been a console of choice in Japan. It's always handheld first and Home console 2nd which is happening right now. If there is a game I will buy one but if there isn't I won't buy it that's the trend of PS4. 

Also at bold, We are talking about sales in Japan. The user here doesn't have any effect on the sales trend in Japan. Unless you can show me a user here that lives in Japan and that doesn't have a 3DS or a thread that has a survey or data that can show me all the things you are claiming in Japan. So again show me the receipt!

I actually starting to get some of your points because in 2016 Switch never existed so the PS4 managed to have a big Q4 because PS4 is the only home console of choice but that argument is flawed. DQXI invalidates that argument alreqady. Switch existed at that time and Switch is selling well on those week as well but did it have a negative effect on the PS4 the answer is no.  So once again data dictates that PS4 will sell well if their is a notable game that will appeal to Japanese crowd but where is the notable game from November that will appeal to them?



NoCtiS_NoX said:
Miyamotoo said:

But thats point PS4 is selling like last year in Japan while evre new year PS4 was selling better than previous, thats why this year will be easily best selling PS4 year from launch in world, while thats not certain only for Japan market.

I dont ignore that still YTD and it will be interesting to see if will at end of year PS4 will be up, down or flat YOY compared to last year, while it was noticeable up YOY in every other market before BF deals. But point that last 3 weeks PS4 is around 25k without any improvements doesn't look good, it will be intresting to see tomorow sales.

But I don't need data to back up for such obvious things, of course there are people that will choose between two consoles, ofcourse there Switch buyers that are not Nintendo fans, ofcourse that not only 3DS owners are buying Switch. Like I wrote, we even here on site had several threads buy people that having Nintendo console for first time ever or that they didn't had one couple of generations.+

1st paragraph and why do you think it's down in Japan from last year? Does PS4 have any notable game, Slim and Pro in Japan this year compare to last year?

2nd Why do you think it's only selling less in Japan if you compare it the west? In the west COD, Starwars, Assassin's creed, Fifa and PS4 exclusive GTS (west is the biggest market for this game) VS Japan COD and GTS (the only 2 game that managed to sell 100K in first week). Answer me honestly is that appealing to the Japanese audience?

3rd yes you will need data for it because Switch cannot have a negative effect on PS4 if it's sold out most of the time. Where's the I will choose Switch  over PS4 when it's not available on my store? See that's dilemma. They want a Switch but they can't buy it because it is sold out. Like I mentioned. PS4 is never part of that equation they never wanted PS4 to begin with because even if Switch is sold out there's no positive effect from the PS4. It's still selling normally when there's no game to appeal to them. it will sell a lot if there's a big game or notable game on that week. That's trend that you are ignoring. That's not stealing or having a negative effect because of the Switch. PS4 is never been a console of choice in Japan. It's always handheld first and Home console 2nd which is happening right now. If there is a game I will buy one but if there isn't I won't buy it that's the trend of PS4. 

Also at bold, We are talking about sales in Japan. The user here doesn't have any effect on the sales trend in Japan. Unless you can show me a user here that lives in Japan and that doesn't have a 3DS or a thread that has a survey or data that can show me all the things you are claiming in Japan. So again show me the receipt!

I actually starting to get some of your points because in 2016 Switch never existed so the PS4 managed to have a big Q4 because PS4 is the only home console of choice but that argument is flawed. DQXI invalidates that argument alreqady. Switch existed at that time and Switch is selling well on those week as well but did it have a negative effect on the PS4 the answer is no.  So once again data dictates that PS4 will sell well if their is a notable game that will appeal to Japanese crowd but where is the notable game from November that will appeal to them?

Pro and Slim were thing world wide last year not just in Japan, west always have more suitable games than Japan, and again sales on west went noticeable YOY up even before BF, while there is chanche that PS4 this year in Japan will not be YOY up. I think that in November and now in December Switch started effecting on PS4 sales.

Yes Switch is sold out constantly, but again there is every week chance that you can buy one, Switch sold 150k last week even if its sold out again. And yes there is chance that some people dont want wait for better Switch stocks and that they will buy PS4 instead, but again I think that Switch has bigger effect on PS4 sales beacuse Switch hype and popularity in Japan is huge and its not hard to imagine that some users will decaide to buy Switch instead of PS4.

But that also goes for Japan, offcourse that in Japan you also have users that are not Nintendo fans, or users that didnt had Nintendo hardware long time or never before, its common sense. I can say same thing, show me evidence, survey or data that ever Switch owner is Nintendo fan or ex 3DS owner and thats not new user or not Nintendo fan.

Switch in last 1-2 months and especially in recent weeks start receiving big shipments that wasnt relly case during summer period, and again my point is that Switch started to effect on PS4 sales in November and probably now in December during holiday season beacuse Switch is that new hot incredibly hyped and popular device not PS4, so of course that some people will choose Switch instead of PS4, and of course that wasn't case last year.

We going in circles so this dont make sense any more.



Noctis you are wasting your time. He's been waiting all year since switch released to play this tune. It must have been really frustrating for him during the ps4 so far up in q1/2 And 3 lol.

It took a quarter though with nothing of note for ps4 so far vs a quarter last year that had everything for ps4.

Sadly for his argument doesn't hold up against your solid facts.