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Forums - Sales - Japan sales (Week 47): Media Create/Famitsu/Dengeki - November 20-26, 2017

Okay, so take Microsoft. They tried to be successful in Japan by paying top dollar for some otaku favorite franchises. While this did sell a small amount of consoles it like!y did not end up a fiscally sound strategy. Are you saying that Microsoft should continue throwing money in a pit for more middling at best results? Knowing your brand's strengths and capitalizing on them is only smart business, no?



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Nautilus said:
Megiddo said:

I mean if hybrid is to mean that it's a handheld with HDMI output and controllers that detatch then sure it's a hybrid. Don't think there would be any argument about that.

Look, Im not going to start it, nor will I feed this, what will end up being, a flamming argumentation.

But in any case, outside of the whole point of the Switch being a hybrid, I dont think that any company wants to give a competitor a whole country.The same way that Nintendo wishes to sell better on Europe, as well as the PS4 sells there, Im certain that Sony would rather that the PS4 sold better in Japan.Saying that a company is ceding the market to another and vice versa is nonsense.

Its kind of ironic that you told him his post would derail the thread when you are the only person to respond to and argue with that post.

Also he said literally nothing about Nintendo/Sony ceding Europe/Japan so i have no idea why you are using tha against him.



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zorg1000 said:
Nautilus said:

Look, Im not going to start it, nor will I feed this, what will end up being, a flamming argumentation.

But in any case, outside of the whole point of the Switch being a hybrid, I dont think that any company wants to give a competitor a whole country.The same way that Nintendo wishes to sell better on Europe, as well as the PS4 sells there, Im certain that Sony would rather that the PS4 sold better in Japan.Saying that a company is ceding the market to another and vice versa is nonsense.

Its kind of ironic that you told him his post would derail the thread when you are the only person to respond to and argue with that post.

Also he said literally nothing about Nintendo/Sony ceding Europe/Japan so i have no idea why you are using tha against him.

Probably because everyone is tired to hear people saying that Nintendo is only winning because the Switch is a handheld, or Nintendo is losing because it is a home console and Sony dominates that market and all that nonsense.I know I am.For me his post seemed like an excuse for why Nintendop is doing so well in Japan and Sony is not.Might not have been his intention, but thats what it felt like.

Amd for your last post, here is his quote

"The Nintendo handheld dominates Japan once again. Ceding the home console market to Sony while having a handheld that has the option of video output to a TV was the right decision. "

Are you sure that he said nothing about ceding Japan



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

Nautilus said:
zorg1000 said:

Its kind of ironic that you told him his post would derail the thread when you are the only person to respond to and argue with that post.

Also he said literally nothing about Nintendo/Sony ceding Europe/Japan so i have no idea why you are using tha against him.

Probably because everyone is tired to hear people saying that Nintendo is only winning because the Switch is a handheld, or Nintendo is losing because it is a home console and Sony dominates that market and all that nonsense.I know I am.For me his post seemed like an excuse for why Nintendop is doing so well in Japan and Sony is not.Might not have been his intention, but thats what it felt like.

Amd for your last post, here is his quote

"The Nintendo handheld dominates Japan once again. Ceding the home console market to Sony while having a handheld that has the option of video output to a TV was the right decision. "

Are you sure that he said nothing about ceding Japan


Seems like you are the only one that took it that way, he even further clarified what he meant which is simply that Nintendo made a wise choice by playing to their strengths.

Yes, i am sure he said nothing about Sony ceding Japan. You should read that post again, he says Nintendo dominates again and they made a smart decision by going with the Switch concept. He says zero things about Sony ceding Japan in that post and his follow up post said they ceded the handheld market, not Japan.



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zorg1000 said:
Nautilus said:

Probably because everyone is tired to hear people saying that Nintendo is only winning because the Switch is a handheld, or Nintendo is losing because it is a home console and Sony dominates that market and all that nonsense.I know I am.For me his post seemed like an excuse for why Nintendop is doing so well in Japan and Sony is not.Might not have been his intention, but thats what it felt like.

Amd for your last post, here is his quote

"The Nintendo handheld dominates Japan once again. Ceding the home console market to Sony while having a handheld that has the option of video output to a TV was the right decision. "

Are you sure that he said nothing about ceding Japan


Seems like you are the only one that took it that way, he even further clarified what he meant which is simply that Nintendo made a wise choice by playing to their strengths.

Yes, i am sure he said nothing about Sony ceding Japan. You should read that post again, he says Nintendo dominates again and they made a smart decision by going with the Switch concept. He says zero things about Sony ceding Japan in that post and his follow up post said they ceded the handheld market, not Japan.

There are two problems with your post.First, is that the Switch is a hybrid, not a handheld.So it works both as a home console and a handheld.If the Switch is selling better than the PS4, its because its also selling better as a home console.Thats why I brought up the whole conversation about what the Switch is.And thats why that the initial post of that user feels like he is moving the goalposts to make Sony look good.

And the second point is that the consumers dont buy a home console and a handheld.They buy a product.And since both the Switch and the PS4 are videogame related products, if a consumer buys the Switch instead of a PS4, the PS4 is losing the market.Its not like the PS4 were going to sell the same regardless of what Nintendo did.Competition is competition, no matter what your device do.

Thats why, the moments he says some nonsense like "Sony letting Nintendo have the handheld market", you know some goalposts are being shifted. 



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

torok said:
Pachofilauri said:

By 2019-2020  we will start to hear all about the PS5 so i doubt we will have both PS5 and Vita 2 in the same span. Unless the PS5 is a hybrid console

Chances are almost zero. Why would they risk alienating the worldwide fanbase just to appease Japan? It really wouldn't be worth it.

I know Switch is selling well as a hybrid, but PS consumers expect it to run all 3rd party titles so the console ends up needing to be too powerful to fit on that form factor. I could not imagine Sony releasing a PS5 marginally more powerful than a PS4 Pro with MS having a new Xbox that would destroy even the X1X, both at the same price point. Multiplat gamers would jump ship immediately.

I think it's because Sony has most of their market on the 20s and 30s and little appeal to smaller kids. Nintendo seems to have a strong hold on the younger/casual crowd. I see both companies having different a public, so what works for one won't necessarily work for the other.

We already know that the majority of Switch owners are males between 20-34 years old.

Stop the bullshit excuses.



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Lawlight said:
Looks like the shortage is well and truly over.

Nope.



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Train wreck said:
TheBraveGallade said:
The interesting part here is "what will japanese 3rd party do?" Smaller Traditionally ps4/vita/PC devs like idea factory will probably jump en masse to switch, maybe in a couple years will not even bother with a ps4 version. And bigger devs would be stupid not to at least make games for it. In fact I could see the next dragon quest going switch EXCLUSIVE because all that really matters for DQ is japanese sales.
And the big thing is if sony starts losing japanese 3rd party exclusivity, its going to be sandwhiched between the xbone S with its 4k blu ray and shared 3rd party, and the switch with ninty titles and all that japanese support even if a lot of it is shared.

Still funny to see comments like these.  Sony is getting their ass kicked in Japan hardware wise, have been since forever YET they are still able to take back Dragon Quest after 10 years; have an exclusive, big budget (ironic) Monster Hunter, it still gets all the Final Fantasy games, still has Kingdom Hearts, Personas...pretty all the major (and minor) Japan 3rd party games, they continue to steal exclusives from Nintendo like Resident Evil Revelations BUTTTTT the switch is going to change all that.  Classic.

Then you top it off with the Xbox S nonsense. 

Shows how badly managed and short-sighted these Japanese developers are. With poor sales like that the PS4 doesn't deserve major Japanese third party support anymore (unless with a franchise that is also popular abroad like FF). 

When will Japanese developers learn I wonder. 



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RolStoppable said:
zorg1000 said:

Seems like you are the only one that took it that way, he even further clarified what he meant which is simply that Nintendo made a wise choice by playing to their strengths.

Yes, i am sure he said nothing about Sony ceding Japan. You should read that post again, he says Nintendo dominates again and they made a smart decision by going with the Switch concept. He says zero things about Sony ceding Japan in that post and his follow up post said they ceded the handheld market, not Japan.

Megiddo's initial post is certainly wrong. Switch is the opposite of Nintendo ceding market to Sony. It's the biggest threat Sony has ever faced.

Consumers don't look at the situation as "I want a home console," they look at it as "I want to play games on my TV." That makes Switch as viable of a choice for gaming on TV as the PS4.

In this case it's "I want to play games on the train and at home."