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Standard and Premium consoles at launch?

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Nem on 27 November 2017

Oh FFS! Don't go giving them ideas.



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DonFerrari on 27 November 2017
ArchangelMadzz said:
DonFerrari said:

Now I see what you were pointing... yes it wasn't even something we can easily remember happening.

But pointing very few games had a PS4Pro patch available is true to this day.

Sub HD is lower than 720p. I know XB1 has a couple 640P games which is what I thought he was referring to. So yeah you can see my confusion when he said more often than not PS4 games are lower than HD. Which is incorrect with both definitions of HD. 

Yes you are right



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

ArchangelMadzz on 27 November 2017

They wont and shouldn't do this. They can't double dip this way.

You can get 2 sales out of 1 person doing it the way they did it this gen as you get the upgrade buys half way through the gen. Plus the premium console will be more powerful 3 years after launch than the premium one proposed here, so it would completely ruin the point of a hardware refresh AND they'd make less money.

No reason for any logically thinking company to do this.

My response to the poll is neither, this makes no sense for the consumer or manufacturer. 

Why do you think 'Ti' versions of graphics cards always come out after the original. Or the T versions of Oneplus phones, etc etc. 



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DonFerrari on 28 November 2017
ArchangelMadzz said:

They wont and shouldn't do this. They can't double dip this way.

You can get 2 sales out of 1 person doing it the way they did it this gen as you get the upgrade buys half way through the gen. Plus the premium console will be more powerful 3 years after launch than the premium one proposed here, so it would completely ruin the point of a hardware refresh AND they'd make less money.

No reason for any logically thinking company to do this.

My response to the poll is neither, this makes no sense for the consumer or manufacturer. 

Why do you think 'Ti' versions of graphics cards always come out after the original. Or the T versions of Oneplus phones, etc etc. 

Console makers doesn't really want double dips on HW since they don't make profit over it, they want userbase to sell SW. Double dip only helps in getting the second hand on another person hand and he using it to buy SW.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

ArchangelMadzz on 28 November 2017
DonFerrari said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

They wont and shouldn't do this. They can't double dip this way.

You can get 2 sales out of 1 person doing it the way they did it this gen as you get the upgrade buys half way through the gen. Plus the premium console will be more powerful 3 years after launch than the premium one proposed here, so it would completely ruin the point of a hardware refresh AND they'd make less money.

No reason for any logically thinking company to do this.

My response to the poll is neither, this makes no sense for the consumer or manufacturer. 

Why do you think 'Ti' versions of graphics cards always come out after the original. Or the T versions of Oneplus phones, etc etc. 

Console makers doesn't really want double dips on HW since they don't make profit over it, they want userbase to sell SW. Double dip only helps in getting the second hand on another person hand and he using it to buy SW.

I'm thinking of Sony and this gen they are making money on HW and Nintendo make money on hardware too (I think?) which is rare of course but 2 console launches in a gen is more profitable than 1. 



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DonFerrari on 28 November 2017
ArchangelMadzz said:
DonFerrari said:

Console makers doesn't really want double dips on HW since they don't make profit over it, they want userbase to sell SW. Double dip only helps in getting the second hand on another person hand and he using it to buy SW.

I'm thinking of Sony and this gen they are making money on HW and Nintendo make money on hardware too (I think?) which is rare of course but 2 console launches in a gen is more profitable than 1. 

Yes they do... but think about what Kaz said during FY14 and FY15 (they were already marginally profitable), their objective was to accelerate the adoption rate of PS4 so they would cut the price aggressively for it (but I guess they were selling so well and above target that they didn't had the urge to cut much until now).



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Alby_da_Wolf on 28 November 2017
Mr Puggsly said:

So back in 2013 when the X1 and PS4 launched... but I think we all kind of felt like, "these specs are huge upgrade, but the limitations are already obvious."

Battlefield 4 for example! It struggled to maintain 60 fps and the resolution suffered for trying to achieve 60 fps.

So here's crazy idea. PS5 and Xbox Two(?) may aim for $399. But what if the Standard console was $399 and the Premium was $599 ($699 if they wanna go crazy) with a massive GPU upgrade, maybe more RAM for better textures, and MAYBE a faster CPU! As some might know there is a big difference between a $199 GPU vs a $399 GPU.

Essentially both would play the same games, both would go down in price over time, and those who want higher fidelity visuals than a $399 console can offer will have it at launch.

Quite frankly, if the X1X and PS4 Pro struggle to hit 4K then I don't have much hope for the upcoming 9th gen consoles to always hit 4K at $399.

However, I don't want a huge CPU disparity in Standard and Premium consoles because some developers might not optimize properly for the slower CPU. Hence, both need good CPUs.

So yay, nay!? How do we feel about this?

EDIT: NO SWITCH IN THIS DISCUSSION! IT DON'T COUNT IN MY WORLD!

I raise with a Standard, Premium and Hybrid range at launch. Just like the hybrid was the only way for Ninty to recover its sunk home console part of business, it could do the same for Sony portables (PSV after all, despite not being a hybrid, was ALSO a first attempt to bring home console games to portables). At that point MS too would most probably follow suit.



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Mr Puggsly on 28 November 2017
Alby_da_Wolf said: I raise with a Standard, Premium and Hybrid range at launch. Just like the hybrid was the only way for Ninty to recover its sunk home console part of business, it could do the same for Sony portables (PSV after all, despite not being a hybrid, was ALSO a first attempt to bring home console games to portables). At that point MS too would most probably follow suit.

Nintendo's hybrid console works because the capabilities are dated. I mean its a machine that essentially delivers graphics at par with 360 and PS3 with more polish, especially when docked.

I don't see how MS and Sony can offer a hybrid option when they push hardware with greater technical capabilities. Unless cost isn't a concern, I mean the Switch is $299 for much inferior capabilities than the cheaper PS4 and X1.

 

If you mean the console gaming of the 5th gen and beyond, I'd give PSP credit for that not Vita. I mean it had ambitious games that were acceptable even by home console standards, it even had ports from 6th and 7th gen consoles. Vita is simply the successor of that.



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DonFerrari on 29 November 2017
Mr Puggsly said:
Alby_da_Wolf said: I raise with a Standard, Premium and Hybrid range at launch. Just like the hybrid was the only way for Ninty to recover its sunk home console part of business, it could do the same for Sony portables (PSV after all, despite not being a hybrid, was ALSO a first attempt to bring home console games to portables). At that point MS too would most probably follow suit.

Nintendo's hybrid console works because the capabilities are dated. I mean its a machine that essentially delivers graphics at par with 360 and PS3 with more polish, especially when docked.

I don't see how MS and Sony can offer a hybrid option when they push hardware with greater technical capabilities. Unless cost isn't a concern, I mean the Switch is $299 for much inferior capabilities than the cheaper PS4 and X1.

If you mean the console gaming of the 5th gen and beyond, I'd give PSP credit for that not Vita. I mean it had ambitious games that were acceptable even by home console standards, it even had ports from 6th and 7th gen consoles. Vita is simply the successor of that.

Unnaceptable... only Switch have console level games portably, because I can say it is a table console if I leave it on the dock.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

LiquorandGunFun on 29 November 2017

that is basically what happened this generation it just came out a few years later, also allowing the standard versions to be around $200 as well.