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What do you expect?

NSW will win by a huge margin 53 16.06%
 
NSW will win by a small margin 75 22.73%
 
PS4 will win by a small margin 75 22.73%
 
PS4 will win by a huge margin 117 35.45%
 
Sorry, no troll XB1 option. :P Oh wait... 10 3.03%
 
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quickrick said:
Miyamotoo said:

Everything you wrote don't go against what I wrote and my point.

you have no point in the matter we are discussing, you say fact is console will sell better during holidays, no shit, but thats only if they have supply TO COVER DEMAND. fact is wii and 360 could sold the same exact amount, and way more with out the holidays, and if you don't agree you are an idiot.

Again, you missed point and point is simple, again if launch was in holiday season and not in Q1 Nintendo would from start made plans to have bigger stocks for holiday season launch compared to march launch (where they actually initially prepared 2m for launch that led to huge stock problems) because they know March and April months are much slower months in any case compared to best performing months in year like November and December.

Also if you something dont understand and you don't have logical point, there is no need for insults.



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Miyamotoo said:
quickrick said:

so were gonna keep ignoring the fact that almost every console that had high demand that launched during the holidays had massive shortages and couldn't keep up with demand?, are we gonna keep ignoring the fact that switch had more stock then most console launches did in the holidays? every one knows consoles sell better during the holidays, but when launching during the holidays and  they don't have enough supply,and most consoles didn't have near to cover demand, the holidays goes to waste, even wiiu was sold out for a bit during the holidays, and sales were pretty bad for a console launch, i think if it did great numbers, it would have diffidently been sold out the whole holidays , so there is  absolutely nothing pointing to having a huge supply during the holidays , when time and time again this hasn't been the case for console launches. heck nintedo forcast was only to ship 3 million during holiday launch WW for wiiu. that near what switch shipped during none holiday month.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/gaming/2012/11/26/nintendo-wii-u-sales/1727191/ 

Everything you wrote don't go against what I wrote and my point.

Again, point is simple, if launch was in holiday season and not in Q1 Nintendo would from start made plans to have bigger stocks for holiday season launch compared to march launch (where they actually initially prepared 2m for launch that led to huge stock problems) because they know March and April months are much slower months in any case compared to best performing months in year like November and December.

and again if what you say is true, we couldn't ps3, ps2, 360, and wii which launched during the holidays not make enough supply, explain? you don't seem to understand many holiday launches are rushed, and history proves that. switch had way more stock during none holidays then those consoles, probably cause nintedo didn't wanna rush a holiday launch in 2016.



quickrick said:
Miyamotoo said:

Everything you wrote don't go against what I wrote and my point.

Again, point is simple, if launch was in holiday season and not in Q1 Nintendo would from start made plans to have bigger stocks for holiday season launch compared to march launch (where they actually initially prepared 2m for launch that led to huge stock problems) because they know March and April months are much slower months in any case compared to best performing months in year like November and December.

and again if what you say is true, we couldn't ps3, ps2, 360, and wii which launched during the holidays not make enough supply, explain? you don't seem to understand many holiday launches are rushed, and history proves that. switch had way more stock during none holidays then those consoles, probably cause nintedo didn't wanna rush a holiday launch in 2016.

Again you missing point, point is that if any of those consoles had launch during March instead of Holiday season would have even less launch stocks because they are launching during slow months compared best performing months in whole year. So in Switch case, regardless how many units Switch sold on launch in March if launch was actually during holiday season, Nintendo would had initial plan from start to prepare more units for launch. When you preparing launch during Q1 and during holiday season, your plans want be same and you want prepare same amount of stock, because one launch has slow months and other has best performing months in hole year.



Miyamotoo said:
quickrick said:

and again if what you say is true, we couldn't ps3, ps2, 360, and wii which launched during the holidays not make enough supply, explain? you don't seem to understand many holiday launches are rushed, and history proves that. switch had way more stock during none holidays then those consoles, probably cause nintedo didn't wanna rush a holiday launch in 2016.

Again you missing point, point is that if any of those consoles had launch during March instead of Holiday season would have even less launch stocks because they are launching during slow months compared best performing months in whole year. So in Switch case, regardless how many units Switch sold on launch in March if launch was actually during holiday season, Nintendo would had initial plan from start to prepare more units for launch. When you preparing launch during Q1 and during holiday season, your plans want be same and you want prepare same amount of stock, because one launch has slow months and other has best performing months in hole year.

maybe they could have shipped more, but history shows that this isn't the case,so it's just an assumption on your part. most console launches are rushed and have shortages, they rush them for the holidays to make third party's happy, even if they don't have proper supply. ps4 had a million preorders nearly 4 months before launch, did sony make more units for november? no they didn't, it's just too much examples (most consoles launches with high demand) that show your point has no backing too it.



quickrick said:
Miyamotoo said:

Again you missing point, point is that if any of those consoles had launch during March instead of Holiday season would have even less launch stocks because they are launching during slow months compared best performing months in whole year. So in Switch case, regardless how many units Switch sold on launch in March if launch was actually during holiday season, Nintendo would had initial plan from start to prepare more units for launch. When you preparing launch during Q1 and during holiday season, your plans want be same and you want prepare same amount of stock, because one launch has slow months and other has best performing months in hole year.

maybe they could have shipped more, but history shows that this isn't the case,so it's just an assumption on your part. most console launches are rushed and have shortages, they rush them for the holidays to make third party's happy, even if they don't have proper supply. ps4 had a million preorders nearly 4 months before launch, did sony make more units for november? no they didn't, it's just too much examples (most consoles launches with high demand) that show your point has no backing too it.

Again, fact is that holiday season incomparable stronger than March, April in any case, of course they wouldn't had same plan for launch during March and during November. Maybe Switch would again have shortages even during holiday season with bigger stocks, but point is that they would prepare more consoles for launch. Again, Nintendo said months before Switch launch they preparing to ship 2m consoles for launch, you can bet they plan would be to prepare around 4m if launch was in November instead of March.



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Miyamotoo said:
quickrick said:

maybe they could have shipped more, but history shows that this isn't the case,so it's just an assumption on your part. most console launches are rushed and have shortages, they rush them for the holidays to make third party's happy, even if they don't have proper supply. ps4 had a million preorders nearly 4 months before launch, did sony make more units for november? no they didn't, it's just too much examples (most consoles launches with high demand) that show your point has no backing too it.

Again, fact is that holiday season incomparable stronger than March, April in any case, of course they wouldn't had same plan for launch during March and during November. Maybe Switch would again have shortages even during holiday season with bigger stocks, but point is that they would prepare more consoles for launch. Again, Nintendo said months before Switch launch they preparing to ship 2m consoles for launch, you can bet they plan would be to prepare around 4m if launch was in November instead of March.

not even sony shipped that much ps4' for November so stop. they shipped 4.2  million for the entire holiday, despite knowing that the ps4 would be a sure hit and knew it huge demand, it had a million preorders 4 months before launch in north america alone.  they had to launch in japan 6 months later, because they didn't have enough stock.  you keep bringing up the same point, why didn't nintedo launch with much bigger supply for wii? they knew it was the holidays right? why didn't 360 launch with much bigger supply? why didn't the ps3 have enough supply to launch in europe? why didnt the ps2 have enough supply, you keep bringing the holidays they would have made sure to have more units, most of the times it just impossible. you act like launching during the holiday is perfectly planned when its almost never the case, and nintedo was coming off the wiiu, i doubt they would gone crazy with shipments.



By End of 2019, the PS4 will hit 100 million sold. After that, expect sales to decrease to decrease to about 5 million a year for about 2 or 3 more years putting them around 115-120 million lifetime. Now considering that Switch came out nearly 3.5 years after the Pro, either Switch is going to have to have a sales explosion or you are in this for the long haul seeing what happens by 2022. Because the PS4 is so far ahead of the Switch, this question is exceedingly difficult to answer and it just seems safer to assume that the PS4 will win this fight.



DonFerrari said:
zorg1000 said:

Yes it would because they would have planned things differently since Dec is such a busy time for sales.

For example, they wouldnt have planned to ship 2 million  globally in Nov followed by 500k in Dec. No console manufacturer has ever done anything like that.

Like the data shows, Dec sales are usually around Nov sales. Nintendo, Sony & Microsoft know this hence why they make plans to ship a similar number in each of those months when they have a Nov launch.

ok, whatever, we won't ever make you agree on it, so have your way. Switch would sell 10M if launched on Holiday and PS4 just 500k if launched in March.

 

quickrick said:
Miyamotoo said:

Again, fact is that holiday season incomparable stronger than March, April in any case, of course they wouldn't had same plan for launch during March and during November. Maybe Switch would again have shortages even during holiday season with bigger stocks, but point is that they would prepare more consoles for launch. Again, Nintendo said months before Switch launch they preparing to ship 2m consoles for launch, you can bet they plan would be to prepare around 4m if launch was in November instead of March.

not even sony shipped that much ps4' for November so stop. they shipped 4.2  million for the entire holiday, despite knowing that the ps4 would be a sure hit and knew it huge demand, it had a million preorders 4 months before launch in north america alone.  they had to launch in japan 6 months later, because they didn't have enough stock.  you keep bringing up the same point, why didn't nintedo launch with much bigger supply for wii? they knew it was the holidays right? why didn't 360 launch with much bigger supply? why didn't the ps3 have enough supply to launch in europe? why didnt the ps2 have enough supply, you keep bringing the holidays they would have made sure to have more units, most of the times it just impossible. you act like launching during the holiday is perfectly planned when its almost never the case, and nintedo was coming off the wiiu, i doubt they would gone crazy with shipments.

http://www.vgchartz.com/article/270259/switch-vs-dsvgchartz-gap-chartsseptember-2017-update/
VS DS: Switch lost more ground in the 2nd month than all other months combined, even excluding the months in which Switch was ahead.

http://www.vgchartz.com/article/270258/switch-vs-wiivgchartz-gap-chartsseptember-2017-update/
VS Wii: Switch lost more ground in the 2nd month than all other months combined.

http://www.vgchartz.com/article/269849/switch-vs-wii-uvgchartz-gap-chartsaugust-2017-update/
VS Wii U: The 2nd month is the ONLY month in which Switch ever lost ground at all.

 http://www.vgchartz.com/article/270277/switch-vs-ps4vgchartz-gap-chartsseptember-2017-update/
VS PS4: Switch lost more ground in the 2nd month than all other months combined, even excluding the months in which Switch was ahead.

http://www.vgchartz.com/article/270278/switch-vs-xbox-onevgchartz-gap-chartsseptember-2017-update/
VS XOne: The 2nd month is the ONLY month in which Switch ever lost ground at all.

I wonder what all of the consoles had in common? Could it be that they all released in November?

Well, clearly that's just a fluke. Let's look at a console that didn't launch in the holidays.

http://www.vgchartz.com/article/269850/switch-vs-3dsvgchartz-gap-chartsaugust-2017-update/

Oh, that's odd. Switch was ahead in the second month by the same margin as in the third month, and the fourth month, and the fifth month. And you're telling me that 3DS launched in nearly the same week of the year as Switch? Must be a coincidence.

Man, if you guys hadn't been here to share your wisdom, I'd almost think that consoles sell more in December than April!



StarDoor said:
DonFerrari said:

ok, whatever, we won't ever make you agree on it, so have your way. Switch would sell 10M if launched on Holiday and PS4 just 500k if launched in March.

 

quickrick said:

not even sony shipped that much ps4' for November so stop. they shipped 4.2  million for the entire holiday, despite knowing that the ps4 would be a sure hit and knew it huge demand, it had a million preorders 4 months before launch in north america alone.  they had to launch in japan 6 months later, because they didn't have enough stock.  you keep bringing up the same point, why didn't nintedo launch with much bigger supply for wii? they knew it was the holidays right? why didn't 360 launch with much bigger supply? why didn't the ps3 have enough supply to launch in europe? why didnt the ps2 have enough supply, you keep bringing the holidays they would have made sure to have more units, most of the times it just impossible. you act like launching during the holiday is perfectly planned when its almost never the case, and nintedo was coming off the wiiu, i doubt they would gone crazy with shipments.

http://www.vgchartz.com/article/270259/switch-vs-dsvgchartz-gap-chartsseptember-2017-update/
VS DS: Switch lost more ground in the 2nd month than all other months combined, even excluding the months in which Switch was ahead.

http://www.vgchartz.com/article/270258/switch-vs-wiivgchartz-gap-chartsseptember-2017-update/
VS Wii: Switch lost more ground in the 2nd month than all other months combined.

http://www.vgchartz.com/article/269849/switch-vs-wii-uvgchartz-gap-chartsaugust-2017-update/
VS Wii U: The 2nd month is the ONLY month in which Switch ever lost ground at all.

 http://www.vgchartz.com/article/270277/switch-vs-ps4vgchartz-gap-chartsseptember-2017-update/
VS PS4: Switch lost more ground in the 2nd month than all other months combined, even excluding the months in which Switch was ahead.

http://www.vgchartz.com/article/270278/switch-vs-xbox-onevgchartz-gap-chartsseptember-2017-update/
VS XOne: The 2nd month is the ONLY month in which Switch ever lost ground at all.

I wonder what all of the consoles had in common? Could it be that they all released in November?

Well, clearly that's just a fluke. Let's look at a console that didn't launch in the holidays.

http://www.vgchartz.com/article/269850/switch-vs-3dsvgchartz-gap-chartsaugust-2017-update/

Oh, that's odd. Switch was ahead in the second month by the same margin as in the third month, and the fourth month, and the fifth month. And you're telling me that 3DS launched in nearly the same week of the year as Switch? Must be a coincidence.

Man, if you guys hadn't been here to share your wisdom, I'd almost think that consoles sell more in December than April!

Switch falled behind the others for the sole reason of it not having any stock to sell.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

StarDoor said:
DonFerrari said:

ok, whatever, we won't ever make you agree on it, so have your way. Switch would sell 10M if launched on Holiday and PS4 just 500k if launched in March.

 

quickrick said:

not even sony shipped that much ps4' for November so stop. they shipped 4.2  million for the entire holiday, despite knowing that the ps4 would be a sure hit and knew it huge demand, it had a million preorders 4 months before launch in north america alone.  they had to launch in japan 6 months later, because they didn't have enough stock.  you keep bringing up the same point, why didn't nintedo launch with much bigger supply for wii? they knew it was the holidays right? why didn't 360 launch with much bigger supply? why didn't the ps3 have enough supply to launch in europe? why didnt the ps2 have enough supply, you keep bringing the holidays they would have made sure to have more units, most of the times it just impossible. you act like launching during the holiday is perfectly planned when its almost never the case, and nintedo was coming off the wiiu, i doubt they would gone crazy with shipments.

http://www.vgchartz.com/article/270259/switch-vs-dsvgchartz-gap-chartsseptember-2017-update/
VS DS: Switch lost more ground in the 2nd month than all other months combined, even excluding the months in which Switch was ahead.

http://www.vgchartz.com/article/270258/switch-vs-wiivgchartz-gap-chartsseptember-2017-update/
VS Wii: Switch lost more ground in the 2nd month than all other months combined.

http://www.vgchartz.com/article/269849/switch-vs-wii-uvgchartz-gap-chartsaugust-2017-update/
VS Wii U: The 2nd month is the ONLY month in which Switch ever lost ground at all.

 http://www.vgchartz.com/article/270277/switch-vs-ps4vgchartz-gap-chartsseptember-2017-update/
VS PS4: Switch lost more ground in the 2nd month than all other months combined, even excluding the months in which Switch was ahead.

http://www.vgchartz.com/article/270278/switch-vs-xbox-onevgchartz-gap-chartsseptember-2017-update/
VS XOne: The 2nd month is the ONLY month in which Switch ever lost ground at all.

I wonder what all of the consoles had in common? Could it be that they all released in November?

Well, clearly that's just a fluke. Let's look at a console that didn't launch in the holidays.

http://www.vgchartz.com/article/269850/switch-vs-3dsvgchartz-gap-chartsaugust-2017-update/

Oh, that's odd. Switch was ahead in the second month by the same margin as in the third month, and the fourth month, and the fifth month. And you're telling me that 3DS launched in nearly the same week of the year as Switch? Must be a coincidence.

Man, if you guys hadn't been here to share your wisdom, I'd almost think that consoles sell more in December than April!

  • 2013 (PS4 Launch) = 4.2M 
  • 2014 (just a normal holiday period) = 8.06M
  • the point is holiday launches don't get the full benefit of the holiday when the product has high demand, and the only reason those consoles caught up  is because switch was sold out. so saying those consoles had a huge holiday advantage is not true.