By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - Sales Discussion - PS4 VS Switch lifetime sales, which console will sell the most?

 

What do you expect?

NSW will win by a huge margin 53 16.06%
 
NSW will win by a small margin 75 22.73%
 
PS4 will win by a small margin 75 22.73%
 
PS4 will win by a huge margin 117 35.45%
 
Sorry, no troll XB1 option. :P Oh wait... 10 3.03%
 
Total:330
fatslob-:O on 13 November 2017
Miyamotoo said:

Its not true that Switch stopped to be supply constrained on evre market except Japan in past 3 monts, its more like past 1-2 monts for US (even now on Amazon US Mario Odyssey bundle is sold out), and Japan alone can make huge difference, we could have sold 3m until now instead 2m if there are not suple supply countries. Also Switch yet needs to finish its first FY on market its not like we talk about fact when it come to Switch numbers for hole FY. So fact is that it will be much more accurate and more interesting to compare sales of full second year on market and based on that draw some conclusions.

But you do realise that despite it was heavily suply constrained until recently and still it is heavily suply constrained in Japan, Switch won most of US NPD months from its launch and its selling much better in Japan, in year in which PS4 is strongest in 4 hole years on market!? Also Switch will most likely have much higher shipments on its second year on market than they will have in FY.

New Zelda, new 3D Mario, new Mario Kart....potential strong 3rd party exclusives, potential stron new IPs...will of course move hardware. And revisions of hardware (for instance smaller and cheaper Switch Mini/Pocket), wii gave huge boost in sales.

The important part is that the Switch was available at MSRP no less in early September in the US so supply issues didn't keep persisting like peachbuggy kept insisting and the Mario Odyssey bundle is likely limited time only so it would've ran out of stock anyway since Nintendo never intended to keep it for the long term like most game + console bundles aside from Wii Sports being packed in with the Wii which was a lifetime bundle ... 

New Zelda is a given but neither Majora's mask, Skyward Sword or A link between worlds all of which were 2nd entries on the same platforms ever increased hardware sales to a significant degree so it's a nonfactor. There was only ever one time we saw 2 3D Mario entries on the same platform and that was on the Wii so it's just as likely another 3D Mario entry may not appear on the Switch even with Nintendo's combined resources since it could easily be offset with having to deal with a more powerful platform such as the Switch. Another mario Kart is an open possibility but Nintendo is already capitalizing on hardware sales with MK8D but that's not to say that there isn't more potential left with a new Mario kart game. 

As for "strong" 3rd party exclusives I think the Switch is already a regression in that department compared to the 3DS despite the fact that the Switch has had strong sales in japan so far but that is probably caused by external factors so the Switch is not at fault there. It's much harder to create a high budget Switch game than a high budget 3DS game since the former has higher technical/content standards so Bravely Default developers such Silicon Studio can't keep up anymore and Level-5 just caved in with Inazuma Eleven by making multiplatform with the PS4 even though it was Nintendo centric franchise ... 

High budget 3rd party japanese games which are likely for the Switch are most likely going to end up multiplatform but I could see some of the indies being 3rd party exclusives however, they're hardly what anyone would describe as "strong" ...  

New IPs are a possibility and is probably what the Switch would need to be able to come close with the PS4 and I could easily see a scenario where there's only 1 revision to keep removable joy-con compatibility which limits changes to the original devices form factor ... 



Around the Network
Lawlight on 13 November 2017
Bofferbrauer2 said:
fatslob-:O said:

PS4 easily beat the 360 so I don't know what point you're trying to make there and 2014 pretty much was PS4's slowest year ... 

Switch is also in stock at amazon US right now ... (Switch supply issues didn't keep persisting in the US even after the release of SMO!) 

The gray one does. As for the neon, it says:

Platform: Nintendo Switch

In stock on November 15, 2017. 
Order it now.

So yeah, the neon one is still supply constrained, and pretty much was all the time since mid October.

Similarly, there is only 3 of the regular Slim PS4 left. The CoD limited edition is not being sold for $299 anymore.



Miyamotoo on 13 November 2017
fatslob-:O said:
Miyamotoo said:

Its not true that Switch stopped to be supply constrained on evre market except Japan in past 3 monts, its more like past 1-2 monts for US (even now on Amazon US Mario Odyssey bundle is sold out), and Japan alone can make huge difference, we could have sold 3m until now instead 2m if there are not suple supply countries. Also Switch yet needs to finish its first FY on market its not like we talk about fact when it come to Switch numbers for hole FY. So fact is that it will be much more accurate and more interesting to compare sales of full second year on market and based on that draw some conclusions.

But you do realise that despite it was heavily suply constrained until recently and still it is heavily suply constrained in Japan, Switch won most of US NPD months from its launch and its selling much better in Japan, in year in which PS4 is strongest in 4 hole years on market!? Also Switch will most likely have much higher shipments on its second year on market than they will have in FY.

New Zelda, new 3D Mario, new Mario Kart....potential strong 3rd party exclusives, potential stron new IPs...will of course move hardware. And revisions of hardware (for instance smaller and cheaper Switch Mini/Pocket), wii gave huge boost in sales.

The important part is that the Switch was available at MSRP no less in early September in the US so supply issues didn't keep persisting like peachbuggy kept insisting and the Mario Odyssey bundle is likely limited time only so it would've ran out of stock anyway since Nintendo never intended to keep it for the long term like most game + console bundles aside from Wii Sports being packed in with the Wii which was a lifetime bundle ... 

New Zelda is a given but neither Majora's mask, Skyward Sword or A link between worlds all of which were 2nd entries on the same platforms ever increased hardware sales to a significant degree so it's a nonfactor. There was only ever one time we saw 2 3D Mario entries on the same platform and that was on the Wii so it's just as likely another 3D Mario entry may not appear on the Switch even with Nintendo's combined resources since it could easily be offset with having to deal with a more powerful platform such as the Switch. Another mario Kart is an open possibility but Nintendo is already capitalizing on hardware sales with MK8D but that's not to say that there isn't more potential left with a new Mario kart game. 

As for "strong" 3rd party exclusives I think the Switch is already a regression in that department compared to the 3DS despite the fact that the Switch has had strong sales in japan so far but that is probably caused by external factors so the Switch is not at fault there. It's much harder to create a high budget Switch game than a high budget 3DS game since the former has higher technical/content standards so Bravely Default developers such Silicon Studio can't keep up anymore and Level-5 just caved in with Inazuma Eleven by making multiplatform with the PS4 even though it was Nintendo centric franchise ...  High budget 3rd party japanese games which are likely for the Switch are most likely going to end up multiplatform but I could see some of the indies being 3rd party exclusives however, they're hardly what anyone would describe as "strong" ...  

New IPs are a possibility and is probably what the Switch would need to be able to come close with the PS4 and I could easily see a scenario where there's only 1 revision to keep removable joy-con compatibility which limits changes to the original devices form factor ... 

Yes it was available in September (just for record September was last month of last quarter for which we get last official numbers from Nintendo so I dont see from where you have 3 monts), but also was out of stock very often, hardly that Mario Odyssey bundle was active just for one week (lol), it will most likely be active bundle at least during holiday season also, and its out of stock on Amazaon bascily from Mario Odyssey launch. Of Course this is just for US, in Japan currently is still supply constrained, and Switch yet need to be launch in new territories like South Korea and Taiwan and later probably China.

Second 3D Zelda doesnt need to have effect like Zelda BotW (and hardly it can achieve that), but its system seller game and big game in any case. We also have first time hybrid console and unified platform, now we have 3D Mario game in 8. month of console on market, remember SMG2 was relased only 2.5 years after SMG1, so we are definatly getting onother 3D Mario game for Switch. Yes they capitalizing on hardware sales with remaster of previous Mario Kart game, and most likly we are getting MK9 on Switch also. Pokemon game is realasing on around evre 1-2 years, 3DS had 4 difrent Pokemon games, so its safe to say that Switch will have at least 2-3 difrent Switch games Also there other potential strong existing and active IPs or old IPs that could come back, or totaly new ones.

I was thinking strong exclusives in vein of Bayonetta 2, Switch will definitely have much more similar exclusives that will attract more non-Nintendo fans.

We are definitely getting new IPs, Nintendo confirmed that. There will definitely be at least one revision but most likly there will more difrent revisions (smaller, cheaper Switch Mini/Pocket is almost certain moment 3DS dies, Switch XL/Pro is also posible, same like Switch Home Only...), Switch will most likly be family of Switch systems similar like 3DS, also Switch will probably have different addons, VR/AR addon, controllers addons..

In other words, Nintendo will not have any problems with keeping momentum with new big games and some Switch revisions, with only one platform they need to support, that will be much easier that it was with 3DS/WiiU.



Miyamotoo on 13 November 2017
Lawlight said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

The gray one does. As for the neon, it says:

Platform: Nintendo Switch

In stock on November 15, 2017. 
Order it now.

So yeah, the neon one is still supply constrained, and pretty much was all the time since mid October.

Similarly, there is only 3 of the regular Slim PS4 left. The CoD limited edition is not being sold for $299 anymore.

No but you have now you have PlayStation 4 Slim 1TB Console - Star Wars Battlefront II Bundle for $299.



Lenny93 on 13 November 2017

I predict 17 million more sales for the PS4 than the Switch. 122 million PS4s, 105 million Switches.



Sales prediction, PS4: 122 Million, Xbox one: 50 million, Switch: 105 million. 

Around the Network
torok on 13 November 2017
Ryng_Tolu said:

The point is, for the next 3 years Switch is not gonna sell 10% more than PS4. More like 100% to 300% more lol

PS4 is on track to a good 19M this year. Even with a big drop, PS4 would safely do 15M next year. Let's say 12 and 9 in the next 2 years, totaling 36M. And that's actually pretty, pretty low. So you're saying that in the same time frame the Switch would do between 72M (100% more) and 144M (300%)?

That's an average between 24M and 48M per year. The Wii had a peak year of 24M, the PS2 had 21M. To have an average equal to Wii's best the Switch would probably have to peak at 30M. Either that or you're predicting PS4 sales to fall from a cliff.



Bet with jetforcejiminy: PS4 will pass the Wii lifetime numbers.

Lawlight on 13 November 2017
Miyamotoo said:
Lawlight said:

Similarly, there is only 3 of the regular Slim PS4 left. The CoD limited edition is not being sold for $299 anymore.

No but you have now you have PlayStation 4 Slim 1TB Console - Star Wars Battlefront II Bundle for $299.

The Star Wars bundle isn’t out yet and as I said there were 3 PS4 Slim 1TB console left in stock. Now there’s 1 left in stock.



fatslob-:O on 13 November 2017
Miyamotoo said:

Yes it was available in September (just for record September was last month of last quarter for which we get last official numbers from Nintendo so I dont see from where you have 3 monts), but also was out of stock very often, hardly that Mario Odyssey bundle was active just for one week (lol), it will most likely be active bundle at least during holiday season also, and its out of stock on Amazaon bascily from Mario Odyssey launch. Of Course this is just for US, in Japan currently is still supply constrained, and Switch yet need to be launch in new territories like South Korea and Taiwan and later probably China.

Second 3D Zelda doesnt need to have effect like Zelda BotW (and hardly it can achieve that), but its system seller game and big game in any case. We also have first time hybrid console and unified platform, now we have 3D Mario game in 8. month of console on market, remember SMG2 was relased only 2.5 years after SMG1, so we are definatly getting onother 3D Mario game for Switch. Yes they capitalizing on hardware sales with remaster of previous Mario Kart game, and most likly we are getting MK9 on Switch also. Pokemon game is realasing on around evre 1-2 years, 3DS had 4 difrent Pokemon games, so its safe to say that Switch will have at least 2-3 difrent Switch games Also there other potential strong existing and active IPs or old IPs that could come back, or totaly new ones.

I was thinking strong exclusives in vein of Bayonetta 2, Switch will definitely have much more similar exclusives that will attract more non-Nintendo fans.

We are definitely getting new IPs, Nintendo confirmed that. There will definitely be at least one revision but most likly there will more difrent revisions (smaller, cheaper Switch Mini/Pocket is almost certain moment 3DS dies, Switch XL/Pro is also posible, same like Switch Home Only...), Switch will most likly be family of Switch systems similar like 3DS, also Switch will probably have different addons, VR/AR addon, controllers addons..

In other words, Nintendo will not have any problems with keeping momentum with new big games and some Switch revisions, with only one platform they need to support, that will be much easier that it was with 3DS/WiiU.

The first Zelda entry on the same platform can handily be called system sellers but as for the second Zelda, not so much ... 

Yeah, as for strong exclusives like Bayonetta 2 I cannot see Nintendo securing those relatively high production value games as exclusives without paying third party developers in the vast majority of instances ... (high production value games cost a lot to make these days and just as the era of exclusives came to an end for western developers when costs spiraled out of control, the same will happen or already is happening for japanese developers so exclusivity will be few and far in between for the Switch just as it was when the 3DS was coming off it's predecessor) 

Revisions will probably be only as frequent as the advances in transistor technology and the Switch being more powerful than it's predecessors could easily offset Nintendo's combined development resources ... (the only reason Nintendo was able to put as many games as possible on the 3DS was that it technologically lagged so it didn't take much for developers to be content in the technical aspect) 

Nintendo was barely able to push out 10 AAA titles on the WII U, imagine them pushing twice as many AAA games on a more powerful system ... 



tonio_13 on 13 November 2017

PS4 no doubt about that, the only remaining question is by which margin.

US : Switch with a small margi
EU : PS4 with a huge margin
Japan : switch with a huge margin
Rest of the world : ps4 with a huge margin.



zorg1000 on 13 November 2017
quickrick said:
zorg1000 said:

I get where you're coming from, Zelda+Mario Kart+Splatoon 2+3D Mario in a single year certainly is one hell of a lineup without even factoring the medium sized titles like ARMS, Pokken & Mario+Rabbids.

The problem I have with that line of thought is that theoretically PS4 should have peaked in 2014 considering  that by the end of 2014 it already had Call of Duty, Assassin Creed, FIFA, Madden, NBA, MLB, GTA, Battlefield, Destiny, Watch Dogs, Infamous, Killzone, Far Cry, MGS, Need for Speed, Last of Us, etc.

Like I said, Nintendo still had alot to offer for Switch in the coming years and using sales duds like N64, GC & Wii U to base your argument on isnt doing you any favors since Switch will easily outsell all 3 of them combined.

I honestly don't how ps4 keeps selling, but it does have every single developer making games for it, so it has something for everyone. while those titles will still sell consoles they will lose there impact, but you have so much other titles plus word of mouth spreads.

And that doesn't apply to Switch? Switch will have like 300 games released just this year, is constantly getting news of developers/publishers either announcing support or being happy with their sales and overall buzz for the console remains extremely positive. Thats like exactly what you just said about PS4.

And I know why PS4 keeps selling, a combination of excellent marketing/advertising, appealing hardware, constant flow of quality software & affordable price.....the same thing that is making Switch sell.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.