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Chazore said:

But that's you doing just what you said at the start. You're saying one thing isn't as bad as the other, but the other half is definitely worse.

Look around the internet, there are all sorts of people ragging on PC. It's this forum and a few others that only seem to go on about PC players ragging on console folk. Right now, at this very moment, I'm dealing with a commenter on a bench marking youtube channel, who is known for praising PS4 to the high heavens, while taking absolutely any chance he can at making PC look like it's the dark ages. He gets such satisfaction from making PC players angry and upset. He isn't alone though, I've come across many like him over the years and it's not just on the one side either, it stems from both sides. We have people that wear PCMR as a badge of pride (even though it was actually a joke geared at PC gamers by Yahtzee croshaw, many years ago) and those on the console side who call themselves the "god race" or "godstation" users, so it's not just on the PC side, it's on both.

Well yes, it is. It just paints the picture that the favoured is favoured, over the other. We all have our own bias, but it's nice to be objective here and there.

See, I know you are following OP's question, but if the opposite was asked, you'd likely not have much to give as an answer, simply because it's not your forte, so the qualities of that side wouldn't be brought up.

I think the constructive criticism can also be criticised for not being entirely all there as well, that's another thing to look out for. To some it may appear as an attack, but to others, it can also present flaws within said criticism (like claiming an object fact, but not taking into account that it was flawed due to the lack of knowledge of said flaw/quality).

I haven't said something is bad I have only said why I choose one system over another and If I was blunt it was precisely because of the context of the question as asked by the OP in which PC gamers see themselves as the master race and us console gamers as peasants. I simply demonstrated that if you wish to see flaws in consoles, that we simple peasants can ALSO find flaws in the Master Race's choice of gaming. That is very different from just out of the blue and for no reason scream MASTER RACE us, Peasants you... You will never see in my signature how superior my console is over your PC because that's EXACTLY what I'm saying, it's out of context and why would I want to attack people in my signature when they can see it in threads that have NOTHING to do with consoles or PC's?

If the opposite was asked I wouldn't have said anything because I don't play on PC so I cannot talk about the qualities of a system I do not know, so me talking about the qualities of a system I don't know much about, makes no sense. But someone else who does play on PC could and still can talk about the qualities of PC gaming. I don't have a problem with someone else talking about their reasons to choose PC so why would you or anyone have a problem with me talking about my reasons for gaming on console? In that regard, comparing me to console fans that attack PC gaming is unfair in my opinion.

And I'm not calling you a liar or anything like that but I have never heard anyone playing on console call themselves the Godrace or the PS the Godstation.  I literally have never heard that, before now on this thread. And if someone has, it must be very rare because if it was common I would have heard about it. But PC Master Race, it's so common and so used around the internet that everybody knows what the "Master Race" is when talking about gaming.

And of course you can criticize constructive criticism, I don't have a problem with that either. But you cannot dismiss it altogether simply by saying that it can be criticized too. If one wishes to engage in constructive criticism one must explain and elaborate as to the reasons why one thinks something deserves criticism. Just criticizing something and not explaining why, is not constructive criticism, it's an attack. If for example I say I'd rather play on a 55" TV screen than on a 15" computer monitor because the much bigger screen surface is more immersive, I am using constructive criticism because I explained the reasons for my choice. You have the right to disagree of course but what I said is still constructive criticism. But when someone says: the PC race is the master race and console players are peasants, there is NOTHING constructive there, it's only meant to attack, belittle and hurt. And if you heard someone say Godstation, it's just as stupid and empty as calling oneself the master race.

In the meantime, and please do not see this as an attack or anything bad cause so far I appreciate our discussion and exchange of ideas, but the fact is that in the meantime your signature screams PC MASTER RACE whereas mine does say NOTHING about Godstation or me being better than a PC gamer or anything like that. So the question is why? Why do you feel the need to scream something in your signature that is telling someone like me that I'm an inferior, that my choice of gaming is poor, that I don't see the light of the day cause I chose consoles over PC?



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SvennoJ said:

And how long would it take to dump over a thousand movies.... That's hardly convenient now is it :)

There's Netflix on the tv remote if I'm too lazy to put in a disk. If I want top quality picture, sound and extras for the full movie experience, blu-ray is the way to go and consoles are very useful for that. The only downside is the crap they make you have to skip through before you can start the movie.

Hey. This is an endeavor that has been years in the making. :P
Usually I drop a heap of disks in and let it go overnight.

SvennoJ said:

There's Netflix on the tv remote if I'm too lazy to put in a disk. If I want top quality picture, sound and extras for the full movie experience, blu-ray is the way to go and consoles are very useful for that. The only downside is the crap they make you have to skip through before you can start the movie.


If you want the top quality picture and sound... The HTPC is the best solution. Consoles don't even compare, I'm not even kidding.
Blu-Ray is only the start of the equation, there is so much more to enhance the visual and audio experience.


SvennoJ said:

You could argue 4K gives an even better picture quality, however I bought Your Name on blu-ray for CAD 25, the 4K edition is CAD 143
https://www.play-asia.com/kimi-no-na-wa-your-name-collectors-edition-4k-ultra-hd-blu-ray-l/13/70b6kl (or CAD 168 via Amazon)
The blu-ray is reference quality, stunning upscaled to 4K. I can live without the extra bits and keep CAD 118 in my pocket!

I want my name back please.

Here is some information on video decoding. (A little old, still relevant.)
I suggest you give this a read: https://www.anandtech.com/show/6335/amds-trinity-an-htpc-perspective
And: https://www.anandtech.com/show/2931/4

There is more to it than just putting in a Blu-ray and thinking you have the best quality, there is a ton you can do to improve the experience, especially in regards to deinterlacing and noise reduction.

On the Audio front... Inside a computer is a very noisy environment, an Xbox or Playstation is no different in that regard as they are computers.
Which is why if you wish to have the best Audio experience, nothing less than an external DAC will do.



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Pemalite said:

Hey. This is an endeavor that has been years in the making. :P
Usually I drop a heap of disks in and let it go overnight.

If you want the top quality picture and sound... The HTPC is the best solution. Consoles don't even compare, I'm not even kidding.
Blu-Ray is only the start of the equation, there is so much more to enhance the visual and audio experience.


Here is some information on video decoding. (A little old, still relevant.)
I suggest you give this a read: https://www.anandtech.com/show/6335/amds-trinity-an-htpc-perspective
And: https://www.anandtech.com/show/2931/4

There is more to it than just putting in a Blu-ray and thinking you have the best quality, there is a ton you can do to improve the experience, especially in regards to deinterlacing and noise reduction.

On the Audio front... Inside a computer is a very noisy environment, an Xbox or Playstation is no different in that regard as they are computers.
Which is why if you wish to have the best Audio experience, nothing less than an external DAC will do.

I'm not sure I follow you. What does a noisy electronic environment have to do with digital audio. Either the ps4 decodes it to 7.1 and sends it in pcm format to my amp, or it just sends the bitstream and lets my amp decode it for zero difference. 5.1 pcm 192/24 worked flawless already on ps3 with Akira.

As for deinterlacing, I think I have 2 blu-rays that have interlaced video out of 500. It's very rare. I also like the movie the way it was meant to be seen without enhancements, no artificial noise reduction or, gasp, detail enhancement, judder free 24fps is what I want which blu-ray kindly delivers. I turn all that shit off on a new tv as soon as I set it up. I've had the pro run a blu-ray upscaled to 4K and the base ps4 run a blu-ray with the tv handling the upscale. I see no difference, both look amazing.

All I need the player to do is to decompress the video file and send it over, don't alter it. The tv does all the enhancements, however I have it set up that when it detects a 24p signal it switches to a setting that leaves the picture the way it is. Smooth motion, reality creation, noise reduction, motion flow, cinema pro, the fuck! It can enhance the contrast with local dimming and smooth gradients to 10 bit to hide 8 bit color banding, that's it.

You're happy with HTPC solution and that works for you. It probably looks great on monitors that aren't made for movie viewing (and tv as well ofcourse). I've selected my displays based on how well they can show the original signal, warts and all.

I guess I don't want the best quality, I want the original quality :)



I play on both. If the game is better suited for tv/controller, i'll play it on a console, if it works better with a m/kb and close to the screen, PC it is!

That being said 90% of games i play is on consoles. On PC i only really play MMOs and strategies, and theres not much of them coming out these days.



We all know that, technically, PC gaming can provide more smooth experiences but consoles are cheaper and easier to deal with. They´re better for local multiplayer and for portability.

Most videogame fans I know, or at least at my circles of friends, play both on PC and console. The majority of them, thought, don´t have very good computers and play mostly indie games on them.



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Affordability, comfort and convenience. Anyone who argues over how PC gaming is better doesn't understand the sheer simplicity of just sitting down, turning on your console and gaming (unless they do both).

A guy in my office was ranting about stuff a little while ago (I over hear conversations) and he was wondering why anyone would want a console and game on it. But a high end PC is not only expensive but has to sit somewhere, isn't attached to your main TV. If I got involved in the conversation I'd ask him what car he has? When he tells me he doesn't have a Audi R8 and I ask him why, my point is made. People prefer one thing over another, the fact console gaming is just far simpler helps, whether it's the control scheme, setup or whatever.

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Hmm, pie.

Chazore said:
d21lewis said:

I started it because of what I've seen personally. Not because I was looking for some kind of conflict or to prove consoles were better. In fact, most of the replies I've seen were already refuted in videos. That's why I've been mostly quiet this whole thread.

It also didn't help that you watched some videos, which also led to Youtube suggesting you to watch videos closely related to what you had previously watched

Some of the replies in this thread have opinions that stem from the old days of PC gaming, and some seem to stem from a lack of up to date knowledge of the platform, when talking of it's negatives.

It's more or less become a thread where it's alright to list the positives of consoles, but to also list the negatives of PC, without listing the positives for it's side of the coin (very few of us have have listed pros and cons to each side within this thread).

Well, I was in the market for an Xbox One X so I watched every video I could on the subject. Somewhere in there it turned into videos about how I should just get a PC. That turned into videos about how "PC gaming is better than consoles". It was kind of addicting watching someone bash by platform of choice--but still not convince me to switch to PC.

 

I guess this thread did turn into a thread where people could bash the PC (with arguments that don't really apply to PC gaming anymore) but I already filled up on the PC side of things. I wanted the console gamer argument...so I could go back into the PC forum and fight back!



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CrazyGamer2017 said:

I haven't said something is bad I have only said why I choose one system over another and If I was blunt it was precisely because of the context of the question as asked by the OP in which PC gamers see themselves as the master race and us console gamers as peasants. I simply demonstrated that if you wish to see flaws in consoles, that we simple peasants can ALSO find flaws in the Master Race's choice of gaming. That is very different from just out of the blue and for no reason scream MASTER RACE us, Peasants you... You will never see in my signature how superior my console is over your PC because that's EXACTLY what I'm saying, it's out of context and why would I want to attack people in my signature when they can see it in threads that have NOTHING to do with consoles or PC's?

If the opposite was asked I wouldn't have said anything because I don't play on PC so I cannot talk about the qualities of a system I do not know, so me talking about the qualities of a system I don't know much about, makes no sense. But someone else who does play on PC could and still can talk about the qualities of PC gaming. I don't have a problem with someone else talking about their reasons to choose PC so why would you or anyone have a problem with me talking about my reasons for gaming on console? In that regard, comparing me to console fans that attack PC gaming is unfair in my opinion.

And I'm not calling you a liar or anything like that but I have never heard anyone playing on console call themselves the Godrace or the PS the Godstation.  I literally have never heard that, before now on this thread. And if someone has, it must be very rare because if it was common I would have heard about it. But PC Master Race, it's so common and so used around the internet that everybody knows what the "Master Race" is when talking about gaming.

And of course you can criticize constructive criticism, I don't have a problem with that either. But you cannot dismiss it altogether simply by saying that it can be criticized too. If one wishes to engage in constructive criticism one must explain and elaborate as to the reasons why one thinks something deserves criticism. Just criticizing something and not explaining why, is not constructive criticism, it's an attack. If for example I say I'd rather play on a 55" TV screen than on a 15" computer monitor because the much bigger screen surface is more immersive, I am using constructive criticism because I explained the reasons for my choice. You have the right to disagree of course but what I said is still constructive criticism. But when someone says: the PC race is the master race and console players are peasants, there is NOTHING constructive there, it's only meant to attack, belittle and hurt. And if you heard someone say Godstation, it's just as stupid and empty as calling oneself the master race.

In the meantime, and please do not see this as an attack or anything bad cause so far I appreciate our discussion and exchange of ideas, but the fact is that in the meantime your signature screams PC MASTER RACE whereas mine does say NOTHING about Godstation or me being better than a PC gamer or anything like that. So the question is why? Why do you feel the need to scream something in your signature that is telling someone like me that I'm an inferior, that my choice of gaming is poor, that I don't see the light of the day cause I chose consoles over PC?

I can't help but feel as if you're hinting at something. You've spent the first paragraph going on about those that wear MR like a badge of pride, yet you have also ignored what I had said prior, about both sides tossing around names and acting cocky. 

See that onto itself doesn't make sense, because it means you have gone out of your own way to educate yourself on just the flaws of a PC, yet zero of it's qualities, which lends to one seeking out education of the flaws, to justify the qualities of the other system.

If you can point out flaws, you would do best to educate yourself on the qualities as well.

 

"comparing me to console fans that attack PC gaming is unfair in my opinion."

 

That feels a tad defensive. I was saying that there are those who seek to sling names on both sides, and those that seek to make one side look better than the other (even though the split will never be 50/50 equally, hardly anything is in life, yet we like to think it works that way).

I know you haven't seen anything like that, but I have, and I was just letting you know, that the other side of the coin isn't that much different. That's another thing that ends up becoming an issue when something like that is pointed out, it becomes something of a "non issue", because the other side has done it "more" in another's eyes, which in the end doesn't really set things straight, it just means it's okay for one side to do it because it's so rare, while the other side is common, thus it must be bashed in at any cause. We could apply this line of thought to real world issues and it would be no wonder as to why we'd have public outcries and scuffles left and right (The scuffles like that happen irl around the world anyway).

 

No, but you can dismiss it when a lack of important information isn't brought to the table. Someone can criticise something, but if they don't fully grasp what they are criticising, they are then left open to their own flaws, when they do not bring up all the info about what they are criticising. For example, some here are bringing up the apparent "bad" qualities of PC gaming, yet a good chunk of them haven't touched a PC in years and have made sure on not having to game on one. In doing so, they have proven that they have no desire to know of the current qualities of the system, and thus ignore that line of information, which in doing so leaves their criticism with some flaws of it's own (Just like the folk who love to toss around the myth that you need to spend over 3k for a good PC, and yes, those people still exist to this very day).

 

I don't see it as an attack, but I do see it as a lack of understand. I linked a video as to the origins of the meme itself, and why it exists. No matter what any person on this planet would say, it cannot change the origins and the primary definition of the Joke's origins and means of why it even existed. It was designed to take the mickey out of PC gamers and how they felt that their control scheme in games had to be complicated.

My signature involves no "dirty console peasants" of any sort. Read the bottom line, you'll notice it shows care for performance of others, than for myself. I know of the joke's origins and I know it was a right fun mick take, because back then I laughed at Yahtzee taking the mick, and I still do today. I don't wear it like a badge of pride, I wear it as a joke, because that's how it was designed to be. Those that wear it as a badge of pride twist what the meme was designed for (which still doesn't change what it was defined to be).

 

Have you noticed so far, that I haven't mentioned anything about your choice being inferior in any way?. I've owned consoles before, in fact I plan on grabbing a Switch in early to mid 2018 (when the Switch charge project is completed and ready for shipment). There are even times when I say to a few colleagues of mine at work "PCMR" when I mention of a busted port job, and they get the joke, they understand what I meant.



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Better control schemes
Exclusive franchises
Less fluctuating graphics
Less DRM
Dedicated portables
Physical media



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KrspaceT said:
Better control schemes
Exclusive franchises
Less fluctuating graphics
Less DRM
Dedicated portables
Physical media

I prefer consoles as well yet less drm? How do you figure that?

I would say standardized control schemes rather than better.
Better exclusive franchises is personal opinion ofcourse.
Games are indeed better optimized for the console experience, can still fluctuate quite a bit though compared to an overpowered PC. Ofcourse with like for like hardware cost, consoles fare better.