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VGPolyglot said:
I guess we'll determine by LA Noire and WWE 2K18's sales whether or not it was worth it. If they flop, well then that is their tactic of cheapening costs by forcing a huge download will be shown as a failure.

Speaking of flopping or succeding. How much do they need to sell to be considered a success? Because the Switch version is competing against two platforms with more than three times its userbase. If the game sells half the copies of the PS4 version, would it be considered a success? There's always the option the game underperforms everywhere too. LA Noire is not big enough to be a guaranteed success.



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Darwinianevolution said:
VGPolyglot said:
I guess we'll determine by LA Noire and WWE 2K18's sales whether or not it was worth it. If they flop, well then that is their tactic of cheapening costs by forcing a huge download will be shown as a failure.

Speaking of flopping or succeding. How much do they need to sell to be considered a success? Because the Switch version is competing against two platforms with more than three times its userbase. If the game sells half the copies of the PS4 version, would it be considered a success? There's always the option the game underperforms everywhere too. LA Noire is not big enough to be a guaranteed success.

I don't know. Both games are published by Take-Two, though, so I wonder if poor sales will affect the future of their Switch plans.



I think Nintendo should only offer it to partners that are really committed to switch, and/or are closer to nintendo. Give them out to Bethesda, cause they are all in in the switch, and have 3 big games coming for Switch before even seeing how 1 title does. Give them to Ubisoft, cause they have been the closest to you then any other western third party. Koei Tecmo and Bamco could also be included. They should also offer the cards when they see a huge juggernaut game coming to Switch. For example, if Rockstar announces GTA V for Switch, Nintendo should offer all 32 gb cards Rockstar needs without hesitation.



Bet with Intrinsic:

The Switch will outsell 3DS (based on VGchartz numbers), according to me, while Intrinsic thinks the opposite will hold true. One month avatar control for the loser's avatar.

Ka-pi96 said:
It would be better if Nintendo just released a Switch with a much larger hard drive. Then no extra costs for them and there's no issue with having to download game files.

I agree. Times change and whether it's good or bad, this era has brought with it HUGE downloads and file sizes. Nintendo needed to provide 500GB minimum imo. 



Ka-pi96 said:
It would be better if Nintendo just released a Switch with a much larger hard drive. Then no extra costs for them and there's no issue with having to download game files.
Ka-pi96 said:
Rocketjay8 said:

You want Nintendo to use disks for a handheld?

No, I want Nintendo to use discs for a home console and for handhelds to not exist. But that's just me

"Fortunately we have a product for people who want to play Nintendo games from discs or from (an external HDD); it's called Xbox 360 Wii U" - Don Mattrick




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Ka-pi96 said:
Rocketjay8 said:

You want Nintendo to use disks for a handheld?

No, I want Nintendo to use discs for a home console and for handhelds to not exist. But that's just me

Suddenly I'm happy that you are not Nintendo's CEO. I preffer handhelds. =)



Ka-pi96 said:
RolStoppable said:

That doesn't address the problem. At the end of the day you need to expect that the people who buy physical versions of games do so because they want a physical version. A real one, not half-physical and half-digital.

The logical solution to this problem is that third parties have to man up and act consumer-friendly. There are three parties in this discussion: Nintendo as the platform holder, third parties as the game makers and consumers. There is only one party that has to shoulder the responsibility and that is third parties. The widespread attitude that it's somehow Nintendo or consumers who have to go an extra mile because of the shit that third parties pull off is outright sick at its core.

Why should consumers or 3rd parties have to go the extra mile for the shit that Nintendo pulls then? I'm mainly referring to the tiny storage size, but also their decision to use cartridges in the first place.

Well, there are not many practical alternatives when using the Switch in handheld mode.

As for the question in the OP: I highly doubt it. But on the other hand the prices for the flash memory chips will surely go down next year as the production gets ramped up and should finally meed demand. Which means that the price diffence will become much smaller between 16 and 32 GiB Cartidges; and I could see Nintendo releasing 48 and 64 GiB Cartridges later on, too, which should eliminate the need for installing games in almost all instances (The Switch is not powerful enough for bigger textures, and texures make up the bulk of the data in most games)

Additionally I think some Switch versions will come out with bigger storage. For instance for next year, they could drop the price of the Switch to 250$, but additionally propose a new model with 64-128GiB internal memory for the old price. This would alleviate the need for SD cards even if you would still need to install games from the cartridges.



Ka-pi96 said:
RolStoppable said:

I've never made the claim that consumers prefer cards over discs to begin with, that's something you came up with after I said that consumers like cartridges and cards. You started with the claim that it was a shitty decision by Nintendo to use cards as storage medium, because you were busy defending third parties. Since then you've moved goalposts.

What happens in a free market is that consumers choose the best games. The publishers who put full games on cards will be rewarded, the publishers who don't will see their games collecting dust on store shelves. You know what I am getting at? Consumers won't put up with bullshit because they don't have to; there are plenty of other and better games on Switch. Third parties who engage in bullshit practices ultimately only hurt themselves and deservedly so. The remaining party in this equation (Nintendo) won't lose sleep over this either, because software sales will go to their own games and third parties who do a proper job.

While that's all fair, just remember it was Nintendo that caused this problem in the first place with their design philosophy for the Switch. 3rd parties shouldn't have to jump through hoops just to offer the same experience they would on any other platform.

So third parties shouldn't have to jump through hoops while Nintendo has to, effectively do just that, to help them sell their own games. Double standards?



Ka-pi96 said:
routsounmanman said:

So third parties shouldn't have to jump through hoops while Nintendo has to, effectively do just that, to help them sell their own games. Double standards?

Getting 3rd parties on their console and keeping them happy will help them sell more consoles. So no, it's not about them helping 3rd parties sell their own games, it's about them making it easier to have a large and varied library and thus selling more consoles.

Ditching the handheld mode in favour of cheaper mass storage wouldn't bring 3rd parties to the Switch... then you have a Wii U 2.

Most people with a "Switch Home" and another console (f.e. PS4, PS4 Pro, Xbox One or Xbox One X) would probably get third party games as usual for their Sony or Microsoft console. Why go for the Switch version when it doesn't have anything unique?

The unique selling point for Switch versions of third party games is the mobile option... take that away and the third party games will sell as well as on the Wii U.



VGPolyglot said:
I guess we'll determine by LA Noire and WWE 2K18's sales whether or not it was worth it. If they flop, well then that is their tactic of cheapening costs by forcing a huge download will be shown as a failure.

lol man I really dont understand why they chose LA Noire of all titles to port to switch.  I have a hard time even calling that game mediocre one of my regretted 360 purchases