Forums - General Discussion - NeoGAF in shambles (now back, no OT discussion, statement from Evilore)

sethnintendo said:
RJ_Sizzle said:
Anyone else find it funny we're in a thread called 'NeoGAF in shambles' when we can barely access VGChartz today?

Happens a decent amount of time.  Least ioi doesn't have any controversy surrounding him.  He kind of just left the site in other people's hands though anyways.

Would it even matter if he did though? The owner of the site isn't reason enough for me to avoid coming here. I "might" even come here if EA owned the site! Depends how many microtransactions they filled it with



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sethnintendo said:
Kerotan said:
Is there any actual proof he did this or is the entire thing based on speculation from that statement?

It is on facebook so it must be true.

Hahaha so true.  

 

It's embarrassing all these witch hunts lately without solid proof.  

 

I would kind of enjoy seeing gaf implode but they are innocent until proven guilty.  This is the mentality that seen women burnt at the state 300 years ago. 



RolStoppable said:

Evilore's disciples turned on him. That's something that doesn't happen on a whim, especially when you factor in that his disciples apparently still sided with him when they had to cover up for someone who got arrested for child pornography.

It doesn't 'prove' anything. People immediately want to put distance between themselves and controversy. I think that's what we're seeing here. How would those mods know any more than we do? Think about. I'm NOT saying he's innocent and I'm NOT saying he's guilty, I'm just saying we need to see proof and the woman in question needs to be asked some obvious questions, but unfortunately people are affraid to ask those questions because they fear it may look like they're siding with someone who has already been found guilty based on tweets and facebook. For society to function fairly, we need to have both parties questioned and not favour one over the other. I know for a victim of REAL sexual assault it's a harrowing time (I feel for their pain) but this is why we have courts and why real proof is needed. Have people even considered what questions need asking? I bet they haven't. They're just jumping on a bandwaggon set in motion by the recent Hollywood revelations. 



 

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Wyrdness said:
Nem said:

Oh i just found what this is all about here:
https://imgur.com/a/FJrjx#Mq83KUL

This is all cause he probably got mixed signs and got in the shower with her when they went in a trip as friends. After she said it wasn't ok, he got out and resented her.

It sucks, but i'm not sure this can even be considered Sexual harassment. He didn't actually harass her or touched her from what i understand.

 

The street harrasment part is the only one that is not ok in my view, if true. But that is verbal abuse, not sexual harassment. Not sure it's even a crime unless it's on the workplace or something, but that is not ok.

 

Still, i dunno. This doesn't sound like a super unusual or harassment story. It's just how things happen sometimes. Sometimes people make mistakes. Love is complicated.

The are apprently other incidents involving the guy and as for the shower part unless she invited him into the shower that's a hard case to argue mixed messages if you're not given a full on invite to jump in.

She has a boyfriend and said yes to a road trip with another guy. The two of them it seems. Got drunk with him and was having fun.

I can see how that can be a mixed message. I would just like to hear his side of the story. Even if this was it. He got in the shower with her, wich was clearly a mistake and left once told. I don't see the harassment.

This is not like the Heirnstein guy or whatever he was called where he didn't care about what the woman said and was doing it anyways without giving them a choice. That is harassment.



It's amazing how quickly things can implode from a single accusation on Facebook. It's a really difficult topic (innocent until proven guilty versus sympathy for the alleged victim), but regardless it's a shitty situation for the thousands of users who made up the community and now in a blink of an eye have everything shattered. What happens now? Does a new website pop up to take its place? Does Neogaf make a return? Does everyone just disperse to their previous forums (like I'm doing now)?



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ops i double posted.

 

Yeah i dunno. This story is questionable to me. I am not a friend or sympathiser of the guy. But it looks to me she did more damage to him than he did to her.



Nem said:

She has a boyfriend and said yes to a road trip with another guy. The two of them it seems. Got drunk with him and was having fun.

I can see how that can be a mixed message. I would just like to hear his side of the story. Even if this was it. He got in the shower with her, wich was clearly a mistake and left once told. I don't see the harassment.

This is not like the Heirnstein guy or whatever he was called where he didn't care about what the woman said and was doing it anyways without giving them a choice. That is harassment.

There is a deeper question to be asked here too. I need to repeat once again, I'm not saying who is or isn't guilty, I'm just considering things that people are ignoring:

As you said, she had a boyfriend and was sharing a hotel room with this other guy (rumoured to be Evilore). Her boyfriend left her because of it. Now, if he knew she was sharing hotel rooms with this guy then the only conclusion to make here is that he left her because this guy sexually harrased her. The boyfriend needs questioning and evaluating. Is that what happened? Or is it that she was sharing a room with this guy and her boyfriend only just found out? If so then clearly she hadn't told him, so for what reason didn't she tell him? Her boyfriend might well be that horrible but until we get his testimony we will not know.



 

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GribbleGrunger said:
RolStoppable said:

Evilore's disciples turned on him. That's something that doesn't happen on a whim, especially when you factor in that his disciples apparently still sided with him when they had to cover up for someone who got arrested for child pornography.

It doesn't 'prove' anything. People immediately want to put distance between themselves and controversy. I think that's what we're seeing here. How would those mods know any more than we do? Think about. I'm NOT saying he's innocent and I'm NOT saying he's guilty, I'm just saying we need to see proof and the woman in question needs to be asked some obvious questions, but unfortunately people are affraid to ask those questions because they fear it may look like they're siding with someone who has already been found guilty based on tweets and facebook. For society to function fairly, we need to have both parties questioned and not favour one over the other. I know for a victim of REAL sexual assault it's a harrowing time (I feel for their pain) but this is why we have courts and why real proof is needed. Have people even considered what questions need asking? I bet they haven't. They're just jumping on a bandwaggon set in motion by the recent Hollywood revelations. 

Yes, the reaction of many NeoGAF moderators doesn't constitute definitive proof, but it's a clear indicator that the accusation isn't slander.

The mods know more than we do because they received message from Evilore directly.



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GribbleGrunger said:
Nem said:

She has a boyfriend and said yes to a road trip with another guy. The two of them it seems. Got drunk with him and was having fun.

I can see how that can be a mixed message. I would just like to hear his side of the story. Even if this was it. He got in the shower with her, wich was clearly a mistake and left once told. I don't see the harassment.

This is not like the Heirnstein guy or whatever he was called where he didn't care about what the woman said and was doing it anyways without giving them a choice. That is harassment.

There is a deeper question to be asked here too. I need to repeat once again, I'm not saying who is or isn't guilty, I'm just considering things that people are ignoring:

As you said, she had a boyfriend and was sharing a hotel room with this other guy (rumoured to be Evilore). Her boyfriend left here because of it. Now, if he knew she was sharing hotel rooms with this guy then the only conclusion to make here is that he left her because this guy sexually harrased her. The boyfriend needs questioning and evaluating. Is that what happened? Or is it that she was sharing a room with this guy and her boyfriend only just found out? If so then clearly she hadn't told him, so for what reason didn't she tell him? Her boyfriend might well be that horrible but until we get his testimony we will not know.

Yes, i agree. I think this report is very one-sided and i think people overeacted without knowing the full story.

RolStoppable said:
GribbleGrunger said:

It doesn't 'prove' anything. People immediately want to put distance between themselves and controversy. I think that's what we're seeing here. How would those mods know any more than we do? Think about. I'm NOT saying he's innocent and I'm NOT saying he's guilty, I'm just saying we need to see proof and the woman in question needs to be asked some obvious questions, but unfortunately people are affraid to ask those questions because they fear it may look like they're siding with someone who has already been found guilty based on tweets and facebook. For society to function fairly, we need to have both parties questioned and not favour one over the other. I know for a victim of REAL sexual assault it's a harrowing time (I feel for their pain) but this is why we have courts and why real proof is needed. Have people even considered what questions need asking? I bet they haven't. They're just jumping on a bandwaggon set in motion by the recent Hollywood revelations. 

Yes, the reaction of many NeoGAF moderators doesn't constitute definitive proof, but it's a clear indicator that the accusation isn't slander.

The mods know more than we do because they received message from Evilore directly.

Did they? Would be good if they said something if they did.

As far as i know they could just be unhappy with him and used this as a scapegoat. They can just aswell have overeacted at the mention of harassment without taking a moment to even analyse the situation and decided to clean their hands off it so their reputation didnt get affected aswell.

If i was in their shoes, i would probably leave aswell, but over the verbal abuse of the post event. The event itself i don't see as harassment. It was clear there were mixed messages there.



wfz said:
It's amazing how quickly things can implode from a single accusation on Facebook. It's a really difficult topic (innocent until proven guilty versus sympathy for the alleged victim), but regardless it's a shitty situation for the thousands of users who made up the community and now in a blink of an eye have everything shattered. What happens now? Does a new website pop up to take its place? Does Neogaf make a return? Does everyone just disperse to their previous forums (like I'm doing now)?

I'd have dispersed back here quicker but this site seems unbearably sluggish now since i've left. Tried making the post i made today, last night instead, but i couldn't get gamrconnect to load. Even today the connection's been sporadic.

 

I'm slowly gathering links to some of the Discords, but right now i could only help ya if you're into One Piece.

 

Kind of feel like GAF itself can't come back from this unless EvilLore sells the site and the new owners even care about bringing it back in its current form (and rumor has it that he once got a $10 million offer on it, so it's a bit out of the league of the average hobbyist or group of hobbyists, even if that value were cut in half today).



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