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Machiavellian on 17 October 2017
Zkuq said:
Slarvax said:

There are definitely chairs in a football stadium.

It's questionable why they played the anthem while he was (I assume) being interviewed, or vice versa, but he would definitely call anyone out if it wasn't him that did it.

For the players, on the field? Trump's situation was clearly set up for sitting. He certainly ended up breaking the code of conduct due to the circumstances, but if someone's to blame, it's probably the channel because of setting up the interview situation so poorly.

Didn't Trump go to West Point.  When he heard them play retreat, he definitely should have known what was happening.  If anything he had a good opportunity to show his respect but since it was never about standing or kneeling in the first place with his tweets, he totally ignored it.



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pitzy272 on 17 October 2017

So you take something about trump and insult the entire Republican Party? You're obviously ignorant. And the whiney bitchery comment is laughable. Pot calling the kettle black. Both sides have massive issues, not just one.



Flilix on 17 October 2017

This guy never fails to make a fool out of himself.



Zkuq on 17 October 2017
Machiavellian said:
Zkuq said:

For the players, on the field? Trump's situation was clearly set up for sitting. He certainly ended up breaking the code of conduct due to the circumstances, but if someone's to blame, it's probably the channel because of setting up the interview situation so poorly.

Didn't Trump go to West Point.  When he heard them play retreat, he definitely should have known what was happening.  If anything he had a good opportunity to show his respect but since it was never about standing or kneeling in the first place with his tweets, he totally ignored it.

OK, I rewatched the video with sounds on, and you do have a point. I still think he probably wasn't being hypocritical, but his priorities are way off. He's a showman and it really shows here. I think he was so focused on keeping the show going that he didn't even stop to think about the situation properly. That said, the whole kneeling thing sounds like somewhat of a show too; I doubt he's that patriotic, which is also half the explanation for what's happening here.



fory77 on 17 October 2017

fabric is a spook xdd !



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Jumpin on 18 October 2017
Angelus said:
You know what's amazing to me......

All these players protesting....lets forget for a second that they're not actually protesting the flag or the anthem, as they constantly have to explain to everyone. Lets put aside what the actual issue is (god knows the narrative has sadly been very effectively shifted). It's absolutely mindblowing to me, that none of these guys, when faced with the accusation that they're supposedly being disrespectful, come back with the fact that kneeling has been nothing but a sign of respect and obedience for like all of human history. I mean seriously lol.....the most powerful men on earth for thousands of years wanted nothing more than to see you kneel, but now all of a sudden it's a sign of disrespect? Is this real life?

Haha, good point. 

It is almost as though they just wanted to whine about the protest by making up the narrative that the kneeling is disrespectful.



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teamsilent13 on 18 October 2017

The flag issue is not a real issue; you can find me consistent on this opinion in other threads related to this topic. I do not care that these athletes kneel and find it hardly offensive. It's more annoying to me that Kapernick donated to a group related to a convicted cop killer or that he ignores that white people and blacks are both killed by police at a rate proportionate to their crime statistics based on the most recent FBI statistics. That's the only part that bothers me. If the narrative was we need to rework police training then I wouldn't care, but Kapernick engaged at points in making this about race when it isn't. Cherry picking events and in some cases cherry picking events that hurt his cause. So the kneeling pisses off a lot of NFL fans for the military or whatever, but the only reason it could possibly make me mad is that it somehow gives Kapernick a pass when his entire arc is an epic fail of virtue signaling. 



teamsilent13 on 18 October 2017
SpokenTruth said:
Azuren said:
If you think it's just "showing respect to a piece of fabric", you'd be wrong. No one cares about the fabric of the flag, they care about what it represents. It represents our country, our personal liberties, and the men and women who die defending those liberties.

And the right to protest.

 

I find it more disrespectful to not exercise the rights we fought for.

Agreed, but at the same time Antifa need to allow right groups to protest/rally without shutting it down by screaming over it and starting violence. 



Angelus on 18 October 2017
teamsilent13 said:

The flag issue is not a real issue; you can find me consistent on this opinion in other threads related to this topic. I do not care that these athletes kneel and find it hardly offensive. It's more annoying to me that Kapernick donated to a group related to a convicted cop killer or that he ignores that white people and blacks are both killed by police at a rate proportionate to their crime statistics based on the most recent FBI statistics. That's the only part that bothers me. If the narrative was we need to rework police training then I wouldn't care, but Kapernick engaged at points in making this about race when it isn't. Cherry picking events and in some cases cherry picking events that hurt his cause. So the kneeling pisses off a lot of NFL fans for the military or whatever, but the only reason it could possibly make me mad is that it somehow gives Kapernick a pass when his entire arc is an epic fail of virtue signaling. 

Kap is an idiot, plain and simple. Starts a protest to try and bring attention to social injustices, and wants to be an advocate for meaningful change, but then doesn't even go and vote in the presidential election where tons of important issues are on the line.



Machiavellian on 18 October 2017
Hiku said:
Machiavellian said:

Actually people who are kneeling are not disrespecting the Military.  There is nothing in the articles that say you have to stan, just like there are nothing that says you have to put your hand over your heart.  These are more traditions than anything else.  I am sure most people do not even know why some players kneel instead of just sitting on the bench.

I know, I was being sarcastic about the NFL players. There's nothing in the flag code that says you should stand during the anthem, and either way they're protesting unjust police brutality and not the military or the country in general, as some would claim.

As for Trump, I would not say he is a hypocrite, instead like a lot of things he does or does not do, he just plain ignorant.  I am sure when they started to play retreat, he had no clue what it means.  When he saw all the service men and women stand, face the flag and either salute or put their hands over their heart, he still did not understand what was going on just from his comments.  I am also sure that once he did understand he neither cared or dismiissed it as something he doesn't have to respect.

Yeah in this case it's probably more a case of him being oblivious to his situation.

After re-reading your post I realize later that you were being sarcastic.