Yeah look I agree but people like Rol are entitled to say the burca should be allowed. Personally I think they should be allowed cover their heads not their faces.  Like if an Irish person goes walking down town wearing a balaclava I'd prefer the police tell him to remove it. 

But these people who argue Europe should let them do what they want lose all legitimacy if they don't also equally argue Muslim countries should be completely acceptable of us.  Because we have much stricter rules to follow in their countries then they do here. 

That’s a good point. If they stay at home instead, the law is a failure. But if it means they can’t get unemployment benefits or other velfare payments, I think most will get out. Alternatively, other laws can be made to force them to get out and interact with society to some extent. Also, I don’t want this law only to deal with the burqa problem there already is, but also to show men from the middle east, that they are not welcome if they want to pack their wives into burqas.

So the articles agree with you, but does the People’s in the parlement who voted for it. Is it impossible in your mind that a non-xenophobe/racist could want a burqa ban.

Is it because you didn’t get my point, that a problem can be serious even if it only affects few, that you attack the comparison? No pedophilia and burqas are not on the same level, that wasn’t my point, I’m sorry if you understood it that way. So since we agree they are not on the same level, can you adress my point instead?

Just because some women want to wear it, doesn’t mean that they should be allowed to. They basicly remove themselves from the job market that way. And they are basicly advertising for the female oppressive ideas in Islam. Voluntarily wearing something women in other countries fight with their lives to get rid of.

Your last point I addressed in my responce to forest-spirit.

11 votes for die Grünen? This is even an even more severe case of trolling than admitting 24 votes to the FPÖ.

Of course they are entitled to their opinion, I just disagree with them.

You seem to get the challenge we are facing.

Ideally we could make people do as they like and they would integrate themselves, I used to think that would be the solution, it’s very sympathetic, but it doesn’t work. It’s the tactic we have used the past 50 years without success. Which has resulted in the parallel-society we have, where the darker sides of islam and middle eastern culture, like jew hate, homosexual hate and oppression of women, is way too common.

What's wrong with die Grünen?

Their former representative, Eva Glawischnig, in my opinion is amongst the most unlikeable politicians ever. But seeing how Ulrike Lunacek turned out as their new head in 2017, she may actually take the cake in that regard.

Besides that, on a local level - the green party often raises their voice against new infrastructure or tourism projects (which they have every right to do so) only problem is - they're only ever making themselves heard of after the projects have been already established.

Makes them look more like a party seeking attention only when given the opportunity rather than contributing to society in an effective way.

(I'm also not too fond of their approach to immigration, but I guess that should do for now.)

There's just a problem with this: It's not working as such. The result is that the women who are wearing burqa or niqab are seldom doing so on their own free will, but it's the only way their husbands would let them leave their home. Now when these are forbidden, they are basically trapped in their own homes, and even more dependent to their husbands than they where before. You are not seeing women in burqa in a country with a ban because it's working, but because these women will never leave their houses ever again - the law has emprisoned them in their own homes.

Well the jew hate,  gay hate and less respect for women is really worrying.  I just hope these Muslim kids growing up now have less of it then their parents from wherever they came from.  And if every generation after has less of it then eventually it will be gone.  

Now we have plenty of jew haters,  gay haters and men who don't respect woman from Europe too so it's not exclusively a Muslim problem. 

That is absolutely not true, there are no people I don't care about. It is you who constantly bring up the number 150, as if because they are few, they are not worth caring about. I legetimately think that a burqa ban can help some of these women integrate better into society, especially if other laws can help them get out of their ghetto and interact more with the native society.

So any law that is forcing muslim women to get out and interact with society is automatically headscratching to you? Is it headscratching to require that people attend meetings at for instance the city hall to get unemployment benefits. Is it nonsensical to require that they take a language class to keep their residence permit? There are a lot of reasonable ways to basicly drag them out of their houses and ghettos, against their husbands will if necessary.

But it seems that for you and a lot of other people on the left wing, it is so so terrible to require anything of the people who choose to migrate to our countries.

We are dealing with problems of the parallel-society we have created, muslims are overrepresented in crime statistics,  a lot more muslims have negative views on jews and homosexuals compared to the native people, and a lot more muslims treat women as inferior. Turkish immigrants are supporting Erdogan in abundance. The list of problems is massive, and a lot of it can be traced to the fact that we haven't made it absolutely clear that you have to adapt to western values when you move here.

Either you are blind to all those problems, or you lack the balls to come up with some solution for them, and instead you trash the people who do look for a solution and find one that is admittably flawed, could be it won't help as intended, but is definitely worth trying out, since we don't have any better. And yes sure, we do put a restriction on a human right that says people are allowed to wear whatever they want, but nobody are getting their lives destroyed because they aren't allowed to wear a burqa. Sometimes you need to create a minor problem to deal with a bigger one. And I think that a burqa ban doesn't only affect the 150 who wear a burqa, but it also sends a clear signal that we are against the mentality that women are not allowed to show any of their body to other men than their husbands, which could keep some of those muslims, who are nearly impossible to integrate, out of our countries.