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The game is still terrible tho

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CrazyGamer2017 on 13 October 2017
Pemalite said:
CrazyGamer2017 said:

And to answer your question: Yes I could but between the 5k priced screen and a super powerful computer (if you wish to push 8k at 60fps), I am good with 2K 30 or 60fps games as things are on PS4 for now. 

Playstation 4 isn't doing 2k 30/60fps though?
It's only 1080P.

You're kidding right?

Dude 2K is another way of saying 1080p (small p standing for "progressive" as opposed to i standing for interlaced)

And yes, games on PS4 are between 30 and 60fps. though more and more tend towards 60fps but I'd say a small majority is still in 30fps.

In my case since I'm a 60fps fan I tend to go for 60 whenever there is the option between 30 and 60 like it's the case in games like Rise of the Tomb Raider or The Surge. Other games are 60fps only like Dirt Rally, Dark Souls 2 SOTFS, or the Kingdom Hearts remasters.



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nanorazor on 13 October 2017

"Making Final Fantasy 15 for PC is '100 times' easier than console version", Makes a shitty port from console to PC. Don't tell me developers have said and done this. More imporantly Final Fantasy 15 is not that great of a game, not worth a arguement over and only a basic convesation.



CrazyGamer2017 on 13 October 2017
RolStoppable said:

Some people aren't good at maths. You have to forgive them.

2160p = 4k, half of 2160p is 1080p, therefore 1080p = 2k.

No problem 

To be honest those standards aren't intuitive either so one can easily get them wrong.

For example 2K makes reference to the vertical lines on a screen. 1920 lines actually which is close to 2000, hence 2K

but when specifying the horizontal lines, one goes by the count and not a round up figure, in this case 1080 lines which is called 2K.

Progressive mode or p is now the standard way of displaying images, it means entire images are displayed one after the next as opposed to interlaced images or i. This older displaying standard meant that only half the image was displayed by interlacing each image with the next. This standard allowed for the saving of bandwidth whereas progressive costs full in tems of bandwidth but the quality is much better than interlaced displaying.

To be honest and since progressive is the "norm" (there goes that word again, LOL), I don't know why they bother specifying it each time they speak of the resolution of a screen. they will never go back to interlaced images so there should be no need to say 1080p cause there is no 1080i displaying anymore.

Well if anyone was curious on this issue, I hope this helped



Pemalite on 13 October 2017
CrazyGamer2017 said:
Pemalite said:

Playstation 4 isn't doing 2k 30/60fps though?
It's only 1080P.

You're kidding right?

Dude 2K is another way of saying 1080p (small p standing for "progressive" as opposed to i standing for interlaced)

And yes, games on PS4 are between 30 and 60fps. though more and more tend towards 60fps but I'd say a small majority is still in 30fps.

In my case since I'm a 60fps fan I tend to go for 60 whenever there is the option between 30 and 60 like it's the case in games like Rise of the Tomb Raider or The Surge. Other games are 60fps only like Dirt Rally, Dark Souls 2 SOTFS, or the Kingdom Hearts remasters.

2k is usually in reference to 2560x1440. Aka. Quad HD.
4k is usually in reference to 3840x2160. Aka. Quad Full HD.

What do both of these have in common? They are resolutions that are 4x larger than the resolutions they replace. (720P and 1080P respectively.)

DCI and other industry standards do not officially recognize 2k as 1920x1080 in the consumer space when used in the same context as 4k.

RolStoppable said:

Some people aren't good at maths. You have to forgive them.

2160p = 4k, half of 2160p is 1080p, therefore 1080p = 2k.

No.
Half of 2160P would actually be 3840x1080.

1080P is still called 1080P or Full HD, aka. A Quarter of 4k.




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Leadified on 13 October 2017
CrazyGamer2017 said:
Leadified said:

It's the norm for developers on PC to offer options like this for the past 20 years at least, these are basic resolution options. A norm is: "Something that is usual, typical, or standard.", is offering variable options, including high resolutions, a norm on PCs? Yes of course it is. Having 8K resolution settings available is a norm, using those settings is not the norm. Do you understand the difference?  You're making an apples to oranges comparison here by trying to marry your average PC hardware to the norm of PC settings, this doesn't make any sense.

Leadified said:

You were called out for your opposition to PC settings, trying to spin this into people being opposed to a 60 FPS version on PS4 is frankly dishonest and admittance that you have lost this argument. You've also asked for proof of PC games running in 8K, for some reason you asked for Limbo so I gave you Skyrim (as one of the videos) which is much more popular and a relatively modern game, which should justify what you said as "8K on PC games is common". But you then reject this and say it's an exception, I'm sorry but if you can't concede, even the most minor point when you are proven wrong then there is no reason to have a debate with you.

Have a good day.

Everything was going well and then you had to go judgemental and on the offensive in this last paragraph. Oh boy Ouch!

If shattering your attack is not too rude of me, let me say this: first I did not spin anything into people being opposed to a 60fps on PS4, I clearly asked why is an 8K version coming FIRST (keyword is FIRST) when there are already people that are ready to use a 2k 60fps version on PS4 and that is in fact the heart of the matter here. If you can't read or if you are too one-sided to comprehend that is not on me.

Note that several times I said: I'm cool with an 8K proof of concept on PC, whereas at NO POINT in the exchange did you say ANYTHING whatsoever, not even now that I asked the question, that, yeah, sure, a 2K 60fps version on PS4 would be nice, or I don't know why a 2K 60fps version on PS4 is not on the agenda or ANYTHING that shows some kind of honesty in YOUR side of the argument. And now I know why: You are a PC fanboy, a quiet one of course, most fanboys become aggressive soon in the argument, you kept it quiet for the entire exchange, not enough to outsmart me but well played nonetheless.

Second You're clearly trying to obfuscate here with your insistance that 8K settings are the norm, the usual thing and now you add that it's been the case for the past 20 years? I'm sure games had the famous 8K setting back in 1997 as everyone knows, yeah right... So let me shed some light on what is either your ignorance or your deliberate attempt at obfuscating (I believe it's the latter). there is NOTHING even remotely qualifying as the norm, the usual as your dictionary explained, in 8K settings if a majority of games don't have that option to ACTUALLY PLAY their games in 8K. If games are beginning to offer that 8K option now, they did not 5 years ago and like hell they certainly did not 20 years ago. You think that 3 games on Youtube, make 8K the norm, the usual thing, the thing MOST people have? And If I asked about Limbo it is because if 8K was the norm, Limbo would be in 8K and 90% of PC gamers would have played that game in 8K, that's what something being the norm means and not some settings nobody can use cause no one has the hardware that does the trick, how can you possibly not get that?

Third It was never about winning or losing an argument, it was about understanding why they choose a proof of concept over an actually commercially viable option FIRST instead of doing it first on PS4 then working on their 8K concept or doing them at the same time both would have made sense too. But now that you are revealed as a fanboy all becomes clear. I would wait long before I got an honest answer or opinion from your kind.

Next time, please become all judgemental and aggressive on the first reply, so I know who I'm dealing with and I can immediately stop trying the one thing your kind is immune to: reasoning.

Enjoy playing your games in 8K as 90% of all PC gamers have been doing for the past 20 years, cause it's the norm with you PC gamers, LOL.

I'll settle for 1080p which has been ACTUALLY used by at least 90% of players worldwide thus making it the definition of the word "norm", the usual, the STANDARD way of playing.

Kind Regards

There is no 8K "version", it's a resolution setting in the PC version, how many times do people need to explain this to you? This is a thread about the PC version of the game, if you want to talk about the PS4 version then how about you make your own thread? Or perhaps there is another reason why you keep trying to force the PS4 into this conversation... I do like how forced your accusation of me being a fanboy is, yeah sorry I'm not taking your bait.

Don't pretend that you didn't understand what I wrote, your facade is over.

It's clear from your first post in this thread where you started mocking PC gamers that your intention was to be hostile, nevermind your first reply to me. Thank you for making it abundantly clear what type of user you really are.



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nanorazor on 13 October 2017

1920 (2K) x 1080p ( Full HD ),
2560 (2.5K) x 1440p (Quad HD),
3840 (4K) x 2160p (4K Ultra HD)
I don't blame anyone that doesn't know this as Manufacturers are falsely marketed 1440p monitors/TV as 2K, which is actually 2.5K.



CrazyGamer2017 on 13 October 2017
Leadified said:

There is no 8K "version", it's a resolution setting in the PC version, how many times do people need to explain this to you? This is a thread about the PC version of the game, if you want to talk about the PS4 version then how about you make your own thread? Or perhaps there is another reason why you keep trying to force the PS4 into this conversation... I do like how forced your accusation of me being a fanboy is, yeah sorry I'm not taking your bait.

Don't pretend that you didn't understand what I wrote, your facade is over.

It's clear from your first post in this thread where you started mocking PC gamers that your intention was to be hostile, nevermind your first reply to me. Thank you for making it abundantly clear what type of user you really are.

A resolution setting that CANNOT be used since as you put it yourself there is NO 8K VERSION that people actually play. You are again obfuscating and squabbling with semantics. It seems that it would kill you to admit that 8K video game playing is the exception and not the norm, it would kill you too to have simply answered a simple question about why there is no 60fps version of this game on PS4 and it would kill you to not be judgemental and instead admit whatever there is to admit, that you don't know, that you don't care about PS4 or anything that is truly what's on your mind.

And with all that in mind believe me, calling you a fanboy is like totally obvious, if anything I blame myself for not seeing it sooner. And now I blame myself for replying to you again. Never in the history of fanboyism has a fanboy tried to be reasonable so yeah you "see what type of user I am" of course you do so believe whatever you want, I'm the anti-christ and I came to this thread to destroy PC Gamers, whatever makes you happy, being judgemental is so much easier than being reasonable for fanboys. Why answer a simple question on the PS4 when you can just ignore it and accuse me of stuff.

Now I'm done with this, at this point trying to reason with you is pointless and words become redundant so yeah.

Bye.



Leadified on 14 October 2017
CrazyGamer2017 said:
Leadified said:

There is no 8K "version", it's a resolution setting in the PC version, how many times do people need to explain this to you? This is a thread about the PC version of the game, if you want to talk about the PS4 version then how about you make your own thread? Or perhaps there is another reason why you keep trying to force the PS4 into this conversation... I do like how forced your accusation of me being a fanboy is, yeah sorry I'm not taking your bait.

Don't pretend that you didn't understand what I wrote, your facade is over.

It's clear from your first post in this thread where you started mocking PC gamers that your intention was to be hostile, nevermind your first reply to me. Thank you for making it abundantly clear what type of user you really are.

A resolution setting that CANNOT be used since as you put it yourself there is NO 8K VERSION that people actually play. You are again obfuscating and squabbling with semantics. It seems that it would kill you to admit that 8K video game playing is the exception and not the norm, it would kill you too to have simply answered a simple question about why there is no 60fps version of this game on PS4 and it would kill you to not be judgemental and instead admit whatever there is to admit, that you don't know, that you don't care about PS4 or anything that is truly what's on your mind.

And with all that in mind believe me, calling you a fanboy is like totally obvious, if anything I blame myself for not seeing it sooner. And now I blame myself for replying to you again. Never in the history of fanboyism has a fanboy tried to be reasonable so yeah you "see what type of user I am" of course you do so believe whatever you want, I'm the anti-christ and I came to this thread to destroy PC Gamers, whatever makes you happy, being judgemental is so much easier than being reasonable for fanboys. Why answer a simple question on the PS4 when you can just ignore it and accuse me of stuff.

Now I'm done with this, at this point trying to reason with you is pointless and words become redundant so yeah.

Bye.

It's not a version, it's a setting.

Bold: I did admit that, here's a reminder: "Having 8K resolution settings available is a norm, using those settings is not the norm." Again why are we talking about the PS4 in a PC thread? Your last sentence is incomprehensible, not sure what that's about.

I'm glad I could make history, I like the fame. You only have yourself to blame for the posts you make.



CrazyGamer2017 on 14 October 2017
Leadified said:

I'm glad I could make history, I like the fame. You only have yourself to blame for the posts you make.

Wow, a fanboy with an ego. I believe the word to describe this is Pleonasm 

I only have myself to blame for not seeing through you earlier.

But out of curiosity, why are you still here squabbling? Don't you have 8K games to play on your standard 8K computer, AKA the norm?

No need to answer, it's just a rhetorical question.

User was moderated for this post

-Super_Boom



Leadified on 14 October 2017
CrazyGamer2017 said:
Leadified said:

I'm glad I could make history, I like the fame. You only have yourself to blame for the posts you make.

Wow, a fanboy with an ego. I believe the word to describe this is Pleonasm 

I only have myself to blame for not seeing through you earlier.

But out of curiosity, why are you still here squabbling? Don't you have 8K games to play on your standard 8K computer, AKA the norm?

Well hey I thought you said "bye"! But now you're back, you're sending me some mixed signals here (perhaps you actually really like me?). If you're curious, I was playing Samus Returns today. It's a pretty good game, I'm in the final area of the game where the Metroids are really tough, but if you'd like to know more about my hobbies then feel free to ask me personally.

Well whatever the case may be, I promise this is my final post to you in this thread, so here you go have the last word