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VGPolyglot on 10 October 2017
numberwang said:
VGPolyglot said:

Are those counted as crimes? No, they're not.

California is moving there. "Xe had to shoot xim, xe hurt xer feelings repeatedly"

http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2017/july/california-proposes-jail-time-for-using-the-wrong-pronoun-for-senior-transgenders

http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/25/california-could-start-jailing-people-who-dont-use-transgender-pronouns/

You know very well I was not referring to that with my original statement.



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VAMatt on 10 October 2017
Hiku said:
DonFerrari said:
And just as a very relevant point for people here that believe in gun control.

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/01/09/over-98-of-mass-shootings-occurred-on-gun-free-zones-research-shows/

You guys can check other sources, but the relevant information is that it claims that 98% of mass shooting occured in gun free zone, meaning, areas were the government is supposed to have total control of gun carried...

Those seem to have turned out to be false claims:


  • Of 133 mass shootings identified between January 2009 and July 2015, only 17 (13%) took place in “gun-free zones” (areas where the carrying of concealed guns is prohibited). The remaining incidents took place in private residences, or public places where concealed guns could be lawfully carried.1 Recent examples include the following:
    • On July 5, 2012 in Oak Creek, WI, a 40-year-old man fatally shot six people at a Sikh temple. Under Wisconsin law, a person can bring a weapon into a place of worship unless that place has informed congregants that they cannot or there is a sign. Amardeep Kaleka, whose father founded the temple and was killed, confirmed that there was no sign.2
    • On September 6, 2011 in Carson City, NV, a 32-year-old man with a history of mental health commitments and a protective order against him fatally shot four people including three National Guard members at an IHOP restaurant. IHOP allows franchises to decide their own firearm policies, and this franchise allows the concealed carry of firearms on their premises.3
    • On April 13, 2013 in Herkimer, NY, a 64-year-old man killed two people at John’s Barbershop and then killed two people at Gaffey’s Fast Lube. Gaffey’s Fast Lube allows permit holders to carry concealed weapons on the premises. Though John’s Barbershop did not reopen, the owner of a neighboring business did not recall that the store prohibited firearms"
    • A regular shill for the gun lobby, John Lott, routinely distorts facts to bolster his claims that “these killers don’t attack randomly; they keep picking the few gun-free zones to do virtually all their attacks.”7 On multiple occasions he has written that “Since at least 1950, all but two public mass shootings in America have taken place where general citizens are banned from carrying guns,”8 although this is completely at odds with evidence Everytown assembled over just the last seven years.

 

Looks at the numbers killed in those "mass shootings" - 2 in a barber shop, 4 in and IHOP.  Those aren't mass shootings by any reasonable standard. 



vivster on 10 October 2017
VGPolyglot said:
vivster said:

Knives, pepper spray, avoidance of dangerous areas, all those things will protect you much better than guns.

"Avoidance of dangerous areas" Some people are poor, and thus are forced to live into cheaper housing that can be dangerous.

And I'm sure a gun will fix all those problems?

You're probably right, because having a gun will make sure that you will get killed, once and for all solving your financial problems.



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numberwang on 10 October 2017
VGPolyglot said:
numberwang said:

California is moving there. "Xe had to shoot xim, xe hurt xer feelings repeatedly"

http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2017/july/california-proposes-jail-time-for-using-the-wrong-pronoun-for-senior-transgenders

http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/25/california-could-start-jailing-people-who-dont-use-transgender-pronouns/

You know very well I was not referring to that with my original statement.

Okay, more guns for the queers too.



VGPolyglot on 10 October 2017
vivster said:
VGPolyglot said:

"Avoidance of dangerous areas" Some people are poor, and thus are forced to live into cheaper housing that can be dangerous.

And I'm sure a gun will fix all those problems?

You're probably right, because having a gun will make sure that you will get killed, once and for all solving your financial problems.

It's easier to defend yourself with a gun than say a knife, but it's longer range. So, you have less of a risk of getting overpowered.



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VGPolyglot on 10 October 2017
numberwang said:
VGPolyglot said:

You know very well I was not referring to that with my original statement.

Okay, more guns for the queers too.

Yes, queers can be victims of hate crimes too, and they should be able to defend themselves.



Rab on 10 October 2017
numberwang said:
Rab said:

People saying untrained US citizens with guns will be able to defend themselves from a professional US army are living in lala land

Without a doubt US citizens would curl up into a ball at the sight of napalming, carpet bombing and taking massive losses, once McDonalds was taken out they would mostly starve then surrender and gratefully go back to watching sports, movies and playing video games



Mnementh on 10 October 2017
DonFerrari said:
Mnementh said:

It is pretty hard to get an illegal gun here in germany. Not zero, but then this is ever the case. But I see that in Brazil you might have a different experience. But look at the result:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Germany has a homicide-rate of 0.85 (per 100.000 people and year), while Brazil has one of 26.74. It is 30 times a slikely to get murdered in brazil than it is in Germany. You're right about Japan, it is even three times lower than in Germany, they have a rate of 0.31. To make it clearer: In Japan you had 395 that year of count, on 130 million people. In Germany it were 682 murders on 80 million people. In Brazil that are more than 55.000 murders on 210 million people. Alone this dimension is crazy. So yes, restriction of gun ownership has effects. Sure, murder rate is dependent on a lot of factors more, but gun ownership is a contributing factor.

The difference in Brazil comes from the size of the country, the vast border, imense coast... it is just impossible to totally control guns in Brazil.

Care to compare the amount of legal gun on the population per homicide rate on USA, Germany and Brazil?

The difference in murders is not even close related to how strict is the legislation on legal weapon.

Same should be true for some other countries. Russia, while having a pretty high murder rate has it much lower than Brazil. For India it is barely more than a tenth of Brazils rate. And China even has a lower murder rate than Germany. All these countries are big, have a vast border, an immense coast, but seemingly they do better.



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VGPolyglot on 10 October 2017
Ka-pi96 said:
VGPolyglot said:

Yes, queers can be victims of hate crimes too, and they should be able to defend themselves.

This has got to be like the faultiest logic ever. If those that wanted to do hate crimes didn't have access to guns then the potential victims wouldn't need them either. It's simple really.

If people are willing to commit a hate crime against someone else, then they probably would be fine with illegally obtaining a gun, too.



VGPolyglot on 10 October 2017
Ka-pi96 said:
VGPolyglot said:

If people are willing to commit a hate crime against someone else, then they probably would be fine with illegally obtaining a gun, too.

So instead of making guns as close to impossible to obtain as it possibly could be, as well as discouraging hate crimes altogether, a better solution would just be to encourage an arms race?

A lot of governments are biased against minorities like transsexuals, at the local, state or federal level. So, when those who have the weapons are biased against them, they need a way to defend themselves on their own.