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VGPolyglot said:
Ka-pi96 said:

So instead of making guns as close to impossible to obtain as it possibly could be, as well as discouraging hate crimes altogether, a better solution would just be to encourage an arms race?

A lot of governments are biased against minorities like transsexuals, at the local, state or federal level. So, when those who have the weapons are biased against them, they need a way to defend themselves on their own.

So you want to arm the population against their own government? How could that ever go wrong. Might as well sell tanks and fighter jets to people because it's unfair for the government to be the only ones to possess those. Do you hear yourself talk? An arms race has never helped anyone.

And what are those persecuted minorities gonna do with their guns against their oppressors? Shoot government officials that pass homophobic laws? Shoot cops that pull them over? Shoot that guy at the bar that called them fucking queers?

Guns, i.e. tools for mass killing, do not belong in the hands of civilians, period. Especially untrained people who couldn't even properly use a gun as a defensive tool even if their life depended on it, i.e. 99.9% of gun owners in the US.



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VGPolyglot said:
Qwark said:

Under no circumstance (except for war or prevention of mass slaughter and self defense from mortal danger) should a civilian ever fire a gun at another human being. Even if they are bullied or have less rights than a heterosexual. Not being able to marry or having to go into a certain toilet is not equal to any of those situations. With many governmenta I assume you imply Russia, Eastern Europe and other countries where bring LBQT+ isn't being penalised.

They face hate crimes more extreme than that. And I don't just mean those places, I also mean the United States, as we are talking about the US specifically here.

Getting punched in the face is not an excuse to shoot someone. Since you are not in mortal danger it just sucks and you can press charges against that individual. You don't need a gun to defend yourself from none life threatening situations and it happens that in countries where people don't have guns they very rarely encounter those.

 

Also against which government employee would one ever be justified of shooting and under what circumstances. Even of a politician has a negative bias against minorities you are not allowed to shoot him. The highest judge would simply prevents his bills like Trump his flight restrictions. So are they allowed to shoot at the police, the only local members certified to keep the peace and arresting people when they commit trials awaiting a fair judgements of their crimes. 



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vivster said:
VGPolyglot said:

A lot of governments are biased against minorities like transsexuals, at the local, state or federal level. So, when those who have the weapons are biased against them, they need a way to defend themselves on their own.

So you want to arm the population against their own government? How could that ever go wrong. Might as well sell tanks and fighter jets to people because it's unfair for the government to be the only ones to possess those. Do you hear yourself talk? An arms race has never helped anyone.

And what are those persecuted minorities gonna do with their guns against their oppressors? Shoot government officials that pass homophobic laws? Shoot cops that pull them over? Shoot that guy at the bar that called them fucking queers?

Guns, i.e. tools for mass killing, do not belong in the hands of civilians, period.

I take it you don't know my political beliefs.



Ka-pi96 said:
VGPolyglot said:

You must think there are a lot of terrorists in the US then.

Compared to every other developed country in the world... definitely! By far the most dangerous of them all!

Guns for nobody is so much safer than guns for everybody.

Yes, but as long as there are militaries, police forces, etc. with guns, tanks, etc., then I won't feel comfortable. Also, for the farmers and people living in areas with dangerous wildlife, it could be troublesome.



VGPolyglot said:
vivster said:

So you want to arm the population against their own government? How could that ever go wrong. Might as well sell tanks and fighter jets to people because it's unfair for the government to be the only ones to possess those. Do you hear yourself talk? An arms race has never helped anyone.

And what are those persecuted minorities gonna do with their guns against their oppressors? Shoot government officials that pass homophobic laws? Shoot cops that pull them over? Shoot that guy at the bar that called them fucking queers?

Guns, i.e. tools for mass killing, do not belong in the hands of civilians, period.

I take it you don't know my political beliefs.

Apparently very paranoid beliefs. Might as well go living in the woods or a secluded Island if you don't even trust your government to protect you.

Or go to Catalonia, they would love to have military weaponry right now to enforce their silly rebellion. Because it's so cool to kill people you don't agree with.



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Ka-pi96 said:
DonFerrari said:

But they can mob linch that person... but if that person had the gun he would have a little more chance of self-defense.

Being attacked by an unarmed mob... probably a few broken bones but chances are they will live.

Being attacked by a gun weilding mob... they're now a bullet riddled corpse.

I know which one I'd prefer...

Sorry to burst that to you but several of them end up dead after the mob linch.

Criminals already own weapons, knifes and others... and if they mob anyone alone wouldn't be able to do anything. But be that mob armed and also regular citizen unless the mob can attack completely hidden they will be at risk of being shot not only by the victim, but others surrounding.

I know I would preffer the choice to defend myself. Probably several rape victims would as well.

Ka-pi96 said:
VGPolyglot said:

You must think there are a lot of terrorists in the US then.

Compared to every other developed country in the world... definitely! By far the most dangerous of them all!

Guns for nobody is so much safer than guns for everybody.

And when the government is unable to get rid of the guns for everyone then you are on the gun only for criminals?

 

@the tight control on guns... USA can't prevent drugs, illegals and other entrances in their country, but they would totally control guns right?

I find it funny that people that defend to make drugs lawfull because of the cost and violence on the drug war are the same that think a war on guns would solve the gun issue...



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

vivster said:
VGPolyglot said:

I take it you don't know my political beliefs.

Apparently very paranoid beliefs. Might as well go living in the woods or a secluded Island if you don't even trust your government to protect you.

Or go to Catalonia, they would love to have military weaponry right now to enforce their silly rebellion.

Yes, I'm a very paranoid person. And I can't just go living in the woods, I don't have enough wealth to be able to afford that endeavour. And yes, I support a worldwide revolution that overthrows capitalism and states around the world in support of a stateless, socialist world.



vivster said:
VGPolyglot said:

I take it you don't know my political beliefs.

Apparently very paranoid beliefs. Might as well go living in the woods or a secluded Island if you don't even trust your government to protect you.

Or go to Catalonia, they would love to have military weaponry right now to enforce their silly rebellion. Because it's so cool to kill people you don't agree with.

I trust no single politician in Brazil and also don't trust anyone or any institution that have too much power. They will usually overpower and subject you.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:

@the tight control on guns... USA can't prevent drugs, illegals and other entrances in their country, but they would totally control guns right?

I find it funny that people that defend to make drugs lawfull because of the cost and violence on the drug war are the same that think a war on guns would solve the gun issue...

It's even funnier that people who are against gun control because of its ineffectiveness are for the illegalization of drugs.

VGPolyglot said:
vivster said:

Apparently very paranoid beliefs. Might as well go living in the woods or a secluded Island if you don't even trust your government to protect you.

Or go to Catalonia, they would love to have military weaponry right now to enforce their silly rebellion.

Yes, I'm a very paranoid person. And I can't just go living in the woods, I don't have enough wealth to be able to afford that endeavour. And yes, I support a worldwide revolution that overthrows capitalism and states around the world in support of a stateless, socialist world.

There will never be a world without governments. Governments will form naturally in every single society because people need order. Everyone talks about freedom but nobody would actually be able to take absolute freedom. Soon enough people will band together and look up to people with power to protect them from sociopaths that now have complete freedom.

And how would a stateless socialist world even work? The vast majority of people will not want to share their goods. So how do you enforce socialism without a higher power forcing it?

Governments aren't an artificial product. They are the natural order of things that can be seen even in the animal kingdom. Every society without a hirarchy will soon develop a new one, even if they've just overthrown the last. Who do you think will have the most power after your great revolution? Exactly the people who are the most power hungry and who will have amassed the most wealth and firepower during that revolution. What a happy new world will it be to be ruled by completely new power hungry monarchs that are ready to kill every dissenter. Because without order, there are no laws. Which means the powerful will rule. With violence. Yes, that's so much better than today where the vast majority of governments strive to build peace between all nations.

DonFerrari said:
vivster said:

Apparently very paranoid beliefs. Might as well go living in the woods or a secluded Island if you don't even trust your government to protect you.

Or go to Catalonia, they would love to have military weaponry right now to enforce their silly rebellion. Because it's so cool to kill people you don't agree with.

I trust no single politician in Brazil and also don't trust anyone or any institution that have too much power. They will usually overpower and subject you.

I would like to see you defend yourself from being overpowered by the government with your little firearm.



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Ka-pi96 said:

Compared to every other developed country in the world... definitely! By far the most dangerous of them all!

Guns for nobody is so much safer than guns for everybody.

These cross-country comparison never work out, Switzerland has one of the highest rates of gun ownership in the world, but little gun-related street crime. Mexico is the opposite, few guns but high gun crime rate.

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-21379912