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sethnintendo on 22 September 2017

Nice to see Wii U come out on top of the One. Must still have some reserve stock that leaks out.



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Miyamotoo on 22 September 2017
Goodnightmoon said:
Kerotan said:
I'm glad to see most people are finally accepting the Switch as a hybrid rather then putting it as just a handheld or just a home console. It is the succesor to the Wii U and the 3DS, it has the benefit of being both handheld and home console.

I've been making this point since it was revealed but I'm happy to see the majority now concur. Maybe my endless arguing wasn't all in vein.

Obviously you'll get a few people will still try and argue it's just a handheld or just a home console but they're in the minority.

You have been making the point that is an hybrid just to suport your point that it should sell just as much as a Nintendo console and handheld combined to be considered succesful, which is quite absurd.

It is an hybrid, that part alone is pretty much right.

Exatly, despite point that Switch is hybrid, its still one device and one platform, for instance Wii U and 3DS are two totally different platforms, with different price points, different lineup of games, different marketings...so comparing sales of one device and one platform (despite with two totally different platforms) definitely is not best comparison.

 

StarDoor said:
Kerotan said:

There were people who used to mock me in these threads when I used to talk about it as a hybrid.

No, people were mocking you because you illogically think that Switch should sell 3DS and Wii U numbers combined.

Agree.

 

 

GhaudePhaede010 said:
Miyamotoo said:

A home video game console, or simply home console, is a video game device that is primarily used for homegamers, as opposed to in arcades or some other commercial establishment. Home consoles are one type ofvideo game consoles, in contrast to the handheld game consoles which are smaller and portable, allowing people to carry them and play them at any time or place, along with microconsoles and dedicated consoles.

 

Nobody really called Wii U hybrid because it did not offer full handheld experience, you couldn't go out and play it. But Switch offers full handheld experience and full home console experience, it's basically hybrid of handheld and home console in one devaice, it can be used like real home console or like real handheld.

So...... my 3DS is a home console since I primarily use it at home as opposed to arcades or other commercial establishment? No. Your definition is incorrect.

Nobody called Wii U a hybrid because it ISN'T a hybrid. A hybrid does not have to offer a full experience, just a combination for a greater experience than the sum of its separated parts.

Well thats meaning of video home console from Wiki, not my definition. But I think that we can agree that home console means console that's used for playing just at home on TV.

Agree that Wii U wasnt hybrid, it was just home console with tablet like controler, but Switch is a hybrid, people calling Switch hybrid because offers full home console experience and full handheld experience in same time.

 

Carl2291 said:
Kerotan said:
I'm glad to see most people are finally accepting the Switch as a hybrid rather then putting it as just a handheld or just a home console. It is the succesor to the Wii U and the 3DS, it has the benefit of being both handheld and home console. 

I've been making this point since it was revealed but I'm happy to see the majority now concur. Maybe my endless arguing wasn't all in vein. 

Obviously you'll get a few people will still try and argue it's just a handheld or just a home console but they're in the minority.

Nobody has ever denied that the Switch itself is a hybrid machine.

Actually you have some people who deny that, even in this thread (post above).



Nautilus on 22 September 2017
Kyuu said:
Nautilus said:

Theere is no drama here.Im just trying to clear this misconception about the Switch.If you see a nice conversation as a drama, its because you want to see it as one.

Now, it should be noted that exceptions should be excluded.There will be always people that are too enthusiastic about their consoles of choice for their own good, like Jranation, Kerotan and Dr. Vita.It should go without saying that, outside of a few situations, they will always try to spin the news and information in their favor.

Having said that, the Switch is clearly a hybrid.I dont understand how people cannot understand this.You can see it as a handheld or a home console in the sense that you use exclusively as it is, but the console is designed to be both.Being a home console or a handheld is not defined by where the main hardware is, as one user believes, but rather how that hardware is used and is designed to be used.The problem with your Vita example is that first of all, when you buy a vita it doestn come with a Vita TV.Its two separate products.If you classify that as a hybrid product, I could say the same about PCs and laptops.If I have both, would that then make my PC a hybrid?Of course not.Second point is that the Vita TV is a half assed product.I dont mean in the sense that games doesnt feel like a home console experience, but rather that the hardware itself is not up to snuff, as in very few games actually work with it.

For the Switch though, its the complete oposite.Both its sidesare considered equaly.It was designed as such from the get go.Its not a handheld, its not a home console, and not even a tablet(If the form a product defined what it was, definition of a word nowadays would be such a choes lol).It is,what is is because ofhow it was designed to do things and not by its form factor or by how much teraflops it has.

You and a few other users made a scene by acting all puzzled and needlessly sarcastic. The dengle's post, which is a Nintendo victim card, was either a jab or irrelevant to the discussion we were having.

Not sure what you're arguing coz I'm not denying that the Switch is a hybrid in the sense that actually matters. I'm just in the opinion that its "hybridness" has little to do with its form factor which you seem to be agreeing with. Vita would certainly NOT have been hybrid if it came with a HDMI out! PSTV doesn't upgrade it into a hybrid either. Because Sony never intended it to replace their home console line.

I define the Switch as a capable handheld that tries to imitate home consoles and largely succeeds, thanks in part to home console gaming being restricted by 2013 technology. This -added to Nintendo's new direction- effectively makes it a hybrid. And a great one at that.

We for the most part agree. So I'm a little lost as to what misconceptions you're trying to clear.

Ah good that you agree with me then.By your post it seemed that you didnt agree that the Switch was a hybrid, rather that it was mostly a handheld that it can dock(In the sense that it was downplaying its home console part)



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Jranation on 22 September 2017
StarDoor said:
Kerotan said:

There were people who used to mock me in these threads when I used to talk about it as a hybrid.

No, people were mocking you because you illogically think that Switch should sell 3DS and Wii U numbers combined.

This!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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AZWification on 22 September 2017

Nintendo seems to be doing just fine, hooray.



                
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the_dengle on 22 September 2017
Kyuu said:

The dengle's post, which is a Nintendo victim card, was either a jab or irrelevant to the discussion we were having.

Don’t read so much into it. I could as easily have said the Switch is a handheld when you want to brag about its power or justify porting clearly inferior third party games and a home console when comparing its sales or whatever.

I had no personal investment in the discussion that was taking place on this topic. The handheld vs home console debate is white noise to me now. Everyone just treats it as whichever type of device drives their narrative at that particular moment.



Kuksenkov on 22 September 2017

Good ol' Nintendo always in people's mouths/fingertips.

I'm here for the collective Kerotan call outs though.

Monster Hunter XX, Mario Kart, and Splatoon are all holding very well. Hopefully Dragon Ball will have the same legs to a certain extent when/if they get their stock together.

Poor lovely Wii U under three digits now. My Wii U has some years of use remaining, a bunch of games I still need to play. I can't believe it's lifespan felt so short, almost 5 years and they were gone in a blink.



outlawauron on 23 September 2017
GhaudePhaede010 said:
Miyamotoo said:

It doesnt have anything with specs, fact is that Nintendo made Switch in way that can act like real home console or like real home console, so its hybrid.

What Switch separate from other handhelds is that from start idea is to make device that can be used like real home console, and what Switch separate from other home consoles is that is from start to make devaice that can act like real handheld.

Home console - All processing is in the docked unit (designed to be played in one locale). See: NES, SNES, Nintedo 64, Gamecube, Wii, Wii U.

Hand held - All processing is in the portable unit. Self reliant. See: Game Boy, Game Boy Advance, DS, 3DS, Switch.

Hybrid -  Computational and/or graphical processing split between both the docked unit and the portable station. See: In gaming, nothing exists yet.

 

Switch is no more a hybrid than Wii U. And in case you forgot, nobody called Wii U a hybrid. One day, a real hybrid will be released and people that call Switch a hybrid will realize Switch is a hand held that can be hooked up, conveniently, to a television. How you play your gaming console does not setermine what the console actually is. I have used about a dozen examples of other, real life items to express my point. This topic is so redundant.

But the dock is essentially "DRM" for a video out. No processing is done in the plastic.

It's not really different from a Surface Pro dock (or any laptop dock really).



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Kerotan on 23 September 2017
Jranation said:
StarDoor said:

No, people were mocking you because you illogically think that Switch should sell 3DS and Wii U numbers combined.

This!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Calm down there. 

 

I said if Nintendo want to prevent their gaming market size from declining they need to match those sales combined.  I never said it can't be a success if it sells less.  

 

And considering Switch has the ability to sell numbers equal to the combined totals it's definitely a fair comparison to make.  They are combined platforms into 1 after all. 



AngryLittleAlchemist on 23 September 2017

Goddamnit. It's frustrating, I want Nintendo to succeed but ... Pokemon needs to stop outselling the numerous better series out there.