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Kerotan on 02 September 2017
Miyamotoo said:
Slarvax said:
Fair to point out the 3DS was not doing well at all at $250, as a handheld. Just because you can take the Switch outside doesn't mean it was an easy sell for Nintendo.

This, 3DS really start selling good after price cut at $170, while Switch is selling great with $300 and Nintendo actually can't keep up with demand.

 

Pinkie_pie said:
We get a a lot of threads about switch dominating in Japan. Weird how we hardly or don't get threads about ps4 dominating in Europe and worldwide

Well PS4 almost 4 years on market, so its not rely hot news any more than PS4 dominating in Europe and in rest of the world, but despite that from time to time we have "PS4 dominating" threads. Switch is 6 months on market so news like those are still "fresh". Also it's interesting that Nintendo is dominating in Japan because PS4 is dominating in rest of world.

 

Kerotan said:

I'm a hardcore Sony fan and I always expected Switch to do well like every Nintendo portable. So your generalising statements are false to say the least. 

Just huge difference is that Switch is hybrid with $300 price point, basically price point of Nintendo home console (that goes same for Switch games, Switch game have price point home console games not of handheld games), remember, 3DS start selling good only after price cut to $170, Switch is selling great and Nintendo actually can't keep with demand with much higher price point.

In an age where iPhones are selling gangbusters at $700 the Switch will look quite cheap to the consumer.  Especially as a shiny new piece of portable hardware.  

 

And $400-500 has been the standard launch price for consoles the last 2 gens.  

 

It's also both a handheld and hybrid so it will have consumers from both markets purchasing.  The fact it's selling like a portable in Japan shouldn't be a surprise to nobody. 



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Carl on 02 September 2017
spurgeonryan said:
For anyone who has not read an article on the switch yet this year.

Seriously though, pretty spectacular. I wonder if it could be closer world wide if Nintendo would push harder in the rest of the world where there are billion more people than Japan. Like my store finally got three units after nearly a month.

Probably, if Nintendo had a NSMB Switch at launch or something.

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Wyrdness on 02 September 2017
Kerotan said:

In an age where iPhones are selling gangbusters at $700 the Switch will look quite cheap to the consumer.  Especially as a shiny new piece of portable hardware.  

 

And $400-500 has been the standard launch price for consoles the last 2 gens.  

 

It's also both a handheld and hybrid so it will have consumers from both markets purchasing.  The fact it's selling like a portable in Japan shouldn't be a surprise to nobody. 

Almost everybody gets their iPhones and such for free on contract deals, often the upfront cost is like 100 quid or so if the contract requires any at all, no one is really paying 700-800 quid upfront.



Miyamotoo on 02 September 2017
Kerotan said:
Miyamotoo said:

This, 3DS really start selling good after price cut at $170, while Switch is selling great with $300 and Nintendo actually can't keep up with demand.

 

Well PS4 almost 4 years on market, so its not rely hot news any more than PS4 dominating in Europe and in rest of the world, but despite that from time to time we have "PS4 dominating" threads. Switch is 6 months on market so news like those are still "fresh". Also it's interesting that Nintendo is dominating in Japan because PS4 is dominating in rest of world.

 

Just huge difference is that Switch is hybrid with $300 price point, basically price point of Nintendo home console (that goes same for Switch games, Switch game have price point home console games not of handheld games), remember, 3DS start selling good only after price cut to $170, Switch is selling great and Nintendo actually can't keep with demand with much higher price point.

In an age where iPhones are selling gangbusters at $700 the Switch will look quite cheap to the consumer.  Especially as a shiny new piece of portable hardware.  

 

And $400-500 has been the standard launch price for consoles the last 2 gens.  

 

It's also both a handheld and hybrid so it will have consumers from both markets purchasing.  The fact it's selling like a portable in Japan shouldn't be a surprise to nobody. 

You are forgeting that iPhone had those prices even before 3DS launch, and 3DS didnt sell at $250 in any case.

Maybe for Sony/MS, Nintendo has very difrent price point and I was talking about Nintendo home consoles, GC launched at $200, Wii and $250 and Wii U at $300. Not only that, but Switch has price point of games of home consoles.

You think it's both, home console and handheld. Actually it's maybe it is surprised that is selling so much especially with huge stock issues with price point of $300, 3DS needs huge price point to start selling in Japan.



Zekkyou on 02 September 2017
Wyrdness said:
Kerotan said:

In an age where iPhones are selling gangbusters at $700 the Switch will look quite cheap to the consumer.  Especially as a shiny new piece of portable hardware.  

 

And $400-500 has been the standard launch price for consoles the last 2 gens.  

 

It's also both a handheld and hybrid so it will have consumers from both markets purchasing.  The fact it's selling like a portable in Japan shouldn't be a surprise to nobody. 

Almost everybody gets their iPhones and such for free on contract deals, often the upfront cost is like 100 quid or so if the contract requires any at all, no one is really paying 700-800 quid upfront.

You're right that most people don't buy their phone upfront (and that does significantly change how the purchase is perceived, so i'm not sure why Ketotan chose it as an example), but the phone isn't 'free on contract deals', the price is just included in your monthly bill. It often actually ends up cost you more, depending on the contract.



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routsounmanman on 02 September 2017
NATO said:
A 29,980 yen handheld outselling a 39,980 yen home console in Japan? Say it ain't so.

It's not about price, rather perceived value. Otherwise, 800$ phones would never sell.



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Agente42 on 02 September 2017
It is not entirely true. In the beginning, Sony has a good support on vita, but the memory card proprietary, most game designers toward consoles features and not portable gaming and all the market gain for the PSP with all the multimedia features was lost to smartphones, so the sony notebook market has drastically reduced by several factors. While the shrinking of the Nintendo market was due more to the 3D factor that reduced the consumer range of the console, which guided much of the development of the games. Already the Nintendo tried to fix with the release of the 2ds versions, but was too late. The competition in the mobile market had its effect on both, but the main factors came from the mistakes of the companies themselves. And the use of the Sony consoles as a multimedia center was completely lost with the development of smartphones, that is little said, which I find strange. I remember before that many people used their PSP as a multimedia center.

Agente42 on 02 September 2017
Zekkyou said:
Lawlight said:

Vita - not supported by Sony (why would you when you have the PS4)

Switch - full support of Nintendo

Spot the difference.

I think that's his point; something being a handheld doesn't automatically make it a success. The Vita does serve as evidence of how much easier it can be for handhelds to succeed in Japan (despite its terrible support from Sony, it still managed to beat the WiiU and it remained competitive against the PS4 for a while), but it also shows that handhelds aren't automatically victors.

It is not entirely true. In the beginning, Sony has a good support on vita, but the memory card proprietary, most game designers toward consoles features and not portable gaming and all the market gain for the PSP with all the multimedia features was lost to smartphones, so the sony notebook market has drastically reduced by several factors. While the shrinking of the Nintendo market was due more to the 3D factor that reduced the consumer range of the console, which guided much of the development of the games. Already the Nintendo tried to fix with the release of the 2ds versions, but was too late. The competition in the mobile market had its effect on both, but the main factors came from the mistakes of the companies themselves. And the use of the Sony consoles as a multimedia center was completely lost with the development of smartphones, that is little said, which I find strange. I remember before that many people used their PSP as a multimedia center.



tbone51 on 02 September 2017
NATO said:
A 29,980 yen handheld outselling a 39,980 yen home console in Japan? Say it ain't so.

This is what we call an excuse. Because higher price means its suppose to sell less than something thats cheaper? Its 100% right... Should i take out the chalkboard



Goodnightmoon on 02 September 2017

Yep, it is, now is time for excuses I guess.