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Qwark said:
Wolverine_the_5th said:

I respect your choice and I would think The Last of Us would get most people's choice as well. I just wonder what it would be if The Last Guardian wasn't as technically broken as it was because it sure makes up for it in other places. Maybe I had a better experience because I do have a pro and I hear there was some updates that did some fixing. I still encountered some frame drops, but it didn't hurt my experience as much to be honest. 

I also have a pro and don't get me wrong it isn't a bad game. I would still rate it an 8/10, but the last of us is a 9.5/10 game for me. The last guardian and especially Trico and the relationship between Trico and the protagonist is very well executed and TLG is definitely more innovative than TLOU. But I think TLOU is pretty much the best in its genre and by that it wins this battle. Although I can imagine people preferring something new instead of something sublimely executed.

Not that I disagree with you that Tlou is one of the best in its genre, but I'm curious what do you think beats TLG in its genre. I would like to try those games :)



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SvennoJ said:
Qwark said:

I also have a pro and don't get me wrong it isn't a bad game. I would still rate it an 8/10, but the last of us is a 9.5/10 game for me. The last guardian and especially Trico and the relationship between Trico and the protagonist is very well executed and TLG is definitely more innovative than TLOU. But I think TLOU is pretty much the best in its genre and by that it wins this battle. Although I can imagine people preferring something new instead of something sublimely executed.

Not that I disagree with you that Tlou is one of the best in its genre, but I'm curious what do you think beats TLG in its genre. I would like to try those games :)

Well truth be told this game is to unique to really fit a genre. If I had to give one it would be a puzzle platformer, but that doesn't really do it justice, since the gameplay isn't the thing that really stands out (in both games it is good till very good but not great). 

 

http://twinfinite.net/2016/12/7-games-like-the-last-guardian/2/ You might want to look at these games SOTC and a tale of two brothers are pretty great although not really comparable. But they all share some elements with the game.



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LethalP said:
vivster said:
I think they're quite similar. Both have nice worlds and interesting characters you want to explore and both interrupt that with shitty gameplay.

Both games would've been better in adventure style rather than action.

How does The Last Of Us have shitty gameplay? It has moments of questionable pcing, but the gameplay is well designed mostly.

The gameplay is generic, boring and constantly breaks immersion and pacing in an awesome world with awesome characters and an awesome story. If you remove 100% of the gameplay and replace it with cutscenes it will be a better movie than it could ever be a game. And if gameplay is the single worst thing that is happening in your game and it makes people hope that it is over soon, so they can get more of the story then, yes, it's very shitty gameplay.



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vivster said:
LethalP said:

How does The Last Of Us have shitty gameplay? It has moments of questionable pcing, but the gameplay is well designed mostly.

The gameplay is generic, boring and constantly breaks immersion and pacing in an awesome world with awesome characters and an awesome story. If you remove 100% of the gameplay and replace it with cutscenes it will be a better movie than it could ever be a game. And if gameplay is the single worst thing that is happening in your game and it makes people hope that it is over soon, so they can get more of the story then, yes, it's very shitty gameplay.

weird as fuck



Wolverine_the_5th said:

OK, I know this may be an unfair comparison given one of them was on the ps3 while the other one was ps4, but I won't be talking about graphics, frame rate, etc. I am only focusing on what I believe is the meat and bones of a video game; the game play and story and a few extra things. The reason why I chose these two games is because I just got both a few weeks back.  I never ended up playing them when they came out for whatever reason. 

The Last Guardian:

OK, I'm just going to say it. I had no interest in this game whatsoever to be honest. I have never played Ico and/or Shadow of the Colossus so I had no idea what I was in for and I had no bias going into this game. The main reason why I got it was simply because I have some time to kill before school starts and decided to get it, alongside The Last of Us.

 

Wow, this game really surprised to be honest. The game play in this game to me is superb. I loved almost every second of it. The only reason I say almost every second is because I did get annoyed. sometimes when Trico just did whatever the hell he wanted to, but I understand the nature behind his actions so I didn't mind it as much. Other than that, I loved all the elements behind it. I loved that every section was basically a puzzle to move on to the next and none of them were identical. I'm not going to lie. Some of the were very frustrating. Hell, some of them took me a long time to figure out what to do next. But when I did I actually felt a sense of accomplishment. The puzzles to me were genius. It wasn't your typical move a box to climb, etc type of puzzles. It was genuinely smart puzzles, but at the same time not so hard that they made you just quit at how dumb you are. Looking at you Professor Layton. One example of this and one of my favorites was when you had to climb a ledge while on the water, but there wasn't a ladder to help so you have to wait for Trico to jump in to raise the water level. All in all, as far as game play is concerned. This game was awesome. 

As far as the story of this game is concerned. I enjoyed it. It was a very simple story of trying to escape the ruins of the Trico Valley. They did a really good job for basically only using two characters. I just wish he would've kept the Trico lol. I felt very close. To that creature and when the kid just tells it to go away and Trico sees it. It was very crushing. 

 

This game was awesome and very underrated to be honest. It is honestly one of my favorite games on my ps4 now. 

 

The Last of Us:

As far as this game is concerned. I had already played previous naughty dog games. Those games being Jak and Daxter 2, I believe, and the first three Uncharted games. I liked the original one. I liked the second one better, but to be honest I got really bored with the third one. I couldn't really get past the 6th chapter because I found it boring and I never really played it again. That's the reason I haven't played the 4th one and why it took me so long to try this one. 

 

The game play was good, but it was exactly what I expected. It wasn't boring by any means. I'm glad it didn't have a ton of annoying climbing like the Uncharted games. It actually sort of reminded me a bit of mgsv which I had just recently played a few months ago. I actually enjoyed it for the most part. There wasn't really any dull moments in the game to be honest as far as gameplay is concerned. I enjoyed the sneaking parts and the shooting parts as well. Don't really know what else much to say here. The crafting system was good and it wasn't overdone like some games. Overall enjoyed the gameplay of this one. I feel like The Last Guardian takes the cake on this aspect for me though. 

 

Now, on to the story. The story to me was good, but to be honest, not great. Maybe it is the fact that there is so many things about zombies out there that I didn't particularly feel too invested in the story itself. I felt like it actually dragged on for a bit too long. The whole thing with the fireflies always having moved on to the next city before you ever got there did kind of bugging me. It just felt like, how many times are they gonna keep moving? It was good, but jot great Imo. I would've liked to see them doing other angles or aspects of it. I'm sure we will get a better story for the next game because they won't be so restricted to just getting the girl from point A to point B the whole time. 

 

A few other things about these games. I really enjoyed the interactions between the main characters in both games. I didn't really feel like either one was above the other to be honest. I loved trico because I like animals, and I liked ellie because she didn't really act like your typical annoying teen, such as Coral from the walking dead. Also, I'm actually glad Riley from the dlc died. She's the Coral of this game. As far as the settings go. I liked The Last of Us more because it was more vibrant and colorful where as The Last Guard was just a bit too much grey, but it was pretty majestic none the less. 

 

This may seem like a cop out, but I can't really give the edge to either to be honest. On the one hand I enjoyed The Last Guardian more as a game, but I enjoyed seeing how things played out more in the The Last of Us story, even with the dragging. All I can really say is that I think more people should play The Last Guardian and The Last of Us is a bit overrated. 

 

What are your thoughts? On these games themselves, on anything I wrote, or just on the games comparison to each other. 

I thought the Last of Us was fantastic, but from all the reviews of Last Guardian, and also given the fact that it is probably pretty cheap by now, I need to give it a shot.

Unfortunatly, ICO's last game I played (Shadow of the Col) was a bit anticlimactic for me.  I played it remastered on the PS3, and by then the game IMO hadn't aged as well as some others (it's like a young kid going back and playing OoT today, hard to be as impressed)...

 

I thougth the controls in SoTC were clunky, and people will argue that was the developers intent, but the game didn't seem to give a very good indication of when something registered and when it didn't.... also, some of the colossi were a bit anticlimatic, meaning the fight took too long, or could be frustrating... good emotion throughout though, especially given how barren the game world is.

 

Really, i would love to see a reMAKE from the ground up of SoTC and revisit it.



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Qwark said:
SvennoJ said:

Not that I disagree with you that Tlou is one of the best in its genre, but I'm curious what do you think beats TLG in its genre. I would like to try those games :)

Well truth be told this game is to unique to really fit a genre. If I had to give one it would be a puzzle platformer, but that doesn't really do it justice, since the gameplay isn't the thing that really stands out (in both games it is good till very good but not great). 

 

http://twinfinite.net/2016/12/7-games-like-the-last-guardian/2/ You might want to look at these games SOTC and a tale of two brothers are pretty great although not really comparable. But they all share some elements with the game.

I played all of those and I do rank Ico and SotC above TLG, maybe just for nostalgia sake, higher emotional attachment with age. All 3 of their games are awesome and unique. I didn't get far into Ori though, it looks lovely but its gameplay is not my thing. (hampered by wildly fluctuating frame rate on my laptop, not fun to play) Funny they add tlou in the list, Majin and the forsaken kingdom would be a better fit, yet nobody played that.



Qwark said:
So the game that defined naughty dog as Sony is best studio to date against a game that was pretty much broken on PS4 and only able to maintain a decent framerate on PS4 pro on 1080p, whole lpoking decent for a PS4 gam and best. Yeah I will stick with the last of us. 

Did you mean it defined them as Sony's best studio or the best game studio in the industry?



AngryLittleAlchemist said:
Qwark said:
So the game that defined naughty dog as Sony is best studio to date against a game that was pretty much broken on PS4 and only able to maintain a decent framerate on PS4 pro on 1080p, whole lpoking decent for a PS4 gam and best. Yeah I will stick with the last of us. 

Did you mean it defined them as Sony's best studio or the best game studio in the industry?

I think ND is Sony's best studio and one of the best studio's in the whole industry. There are other studios capable of delivering very good games which are on par with ND. Rockstar and Nintendo EAD come to mind.



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I bought a PS4 for The Last Guardian – and during the first hour I have known that it was a right decision. When you play video games for almost 30 years (like I do) you somehow get the impression that you have seen everything which could be done within the video game genre. But finding a game like The Last Guardian with such an unique gaming experience is something everyone should be grateful for. I mean, please tell me another action adventure where you don't have a weapon and you can sit down anytime you want to enjoy the peaceful yet mystic setting beside your friend.

I mean, I got sick and tired of video games at all during the PS3/X360/Wii era because of first/third person shooters all over the way and motion controls. And then (after I almost gave up hope in video games at all) there appears a game which completely draws my attention and even exceed all my expectations – and finally turns out the be one of the best games of all time. Maybe not for everyone, because it's a love it or hate it game (like every Ueda game). But let's say it's something special and definitely not a game you can find everyday.

I haven't played The Last of Us, although I like post-apocalyptic settings. But I'm not a fan of quick time events and long cut scenes since Shenmue on Dreamcast – and Resident Evil 4 for Gamecube was already a very good zombie game. Don't get me wrong, I think TLoU is technically a very good game, but I don't think it's anything really new to experience (besides excellent graphics) and I can't imagine that it's such a timeless masterpiece like The Last Guardian.

Probably all Ueda games are timeless unique gaming experiences if you look at the core ideas he wants to transmit. Ico could be seen as the mother of all indie games and Shadow of the Colossus was maybe the first game which lets you feel sympathy for the enemies you kill (and is one of 80 games at the American Art Museum). You should really have a look for the 2018 remake of SotC coming for PS4, if you have missed the original.



bluedawgs said:
vivster said:

The gameplay is generic, boring and constantly breaks immersion and pacing in an awesome world with awesome characters and an awesome story. If you remove 100% of the gameplay and replace it with cutscenes it will be a better movie than it could ever be a game. And if gameplay is the single worst thing that is happening in your game and it makes people hope that it is over soon, so they can get more of the story then, yes, it's very shitty gameplay.

weird as fuck

Really really wonder which drug Vivster was on when she played it or if she played another game than me?! Disturbing. To me and I guess many others one of the defining qualities of that game is how great it manages to weave in the gameplay with the extensive and dramatic story.