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StarDoor said:
vivster said:
Before I judge her I would like to see those text messages.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8518656

Now that just weird. I'm gonna assume she was in some kind of cult or a hardcore emo or she hated him deep down.

It seems pretty weird to encourage someone you like to kill himself instead of helping to get over it. I mean I only tell people to kill themselves when I don't like them.



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betacon said:
Nogamez said:
She was only 17, probably thought he wouldn't have the balls to do it and was a cry for help, also I wonder if this was a regular thing and she got sick of it? Like he threatened to kill himself every argument they had or something. Also it's entirely possible she's just a scumbag, who could of at the very least text the guys mum or something
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Did you even read the text messages?

No I read the story, I didn't see a link to any messages, I'm guessing the were pretty horrendous?



Nogamez said:
betacon said:

Did you even read the text messages?

No I read the story, I didn't see a link to any messages, I'm guessing the were pretty horrendous?

Edit. Ok I read the messages that's.. ..just fucking weird!!! I really don't understand how you could convince someone when they are clearly 50/50. 



thismeintiel said:
Aeolus451 said:

What are you talking about? I never said anything like that.

What she is did is entirely different that what manson did.

Entirely different?  Hardly.  The only real difference is she got someone to off themselves, while Manson got them to kill others.  If Manson got all of those people to kill themselves, he still would have been in deep shit.  And if she doesn't go away, I wouldn't be surprised if she didn't find more people to kill themselves.  The way she talks, she seems to get off on it.  Or at least the thought that people will pity her knowing that her boyfriend killed himself.  Unfortunately for her, and fortunately for humanity, her texts where found out.

That bit of difference makes a world of difference with this. He convinced others to kill other people (that's infintely more fucked up and hard to do) and she pushed her suicidal boyfriend to kill himself. She didn't help in it all. I know nothing of her or him. They could of been having these conversations for month with him over suicide and she was trying to convince hm not to do it the whole time then eventually something could of happened or she got tired of it, not believing him anymore. I'm gonna do some digging on it to find out more about it since this seems to be a popular topic in general. 

I get it that you don't like her and that's why you're comparing her to manson but people should try to be a bit more objective about stuff like this.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3670166/Court-OKs-trial-girl-texted-boyfriend-urging-suicide.html

She gets a light sentence because she is an attractive young female!



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Aeolus451 said:
JWeinCom said:
Roy: "i don't want anyone hurt in the process though"
Roy: "I meant when they open the door, all the carbon monoxide is gonna come out they can't see it or smell it. whoever opens the door"
Carter: "They will see the generator and know that you died of CO. . . ."
----
Roy: "hey can you do me a favor"
Carter: "Yes of course"
Roy: "just be there for my family :)"
Carter: "Conrad, of course I will be there for your family. I will help them as much as I can to get thru this, ill tell them about how amazing their son/brother truly was"
----
Roy: "Idk I'm freaking out again"
Roy: I'm overthinking"
Carter: "I thought you wanted to do this. The time is right and you're ready, you just need to do it! You can't keep living this way. You just need to do it like you did last time and not think about it and just do it babe. You can't keep doing this every day"
Roy: "I do want to. but like I'm freaking for my family. I guess"
Roy: "idkkk"
Carter: "Conrad. I told you I'll take care of them. Everyone will take care of them to make sure they won't be alone and people will help them get thru it. We talked about this, they will be okay and accept it. People who commit suicide don't think this much and they just do it"

July 12, 2014

In these exchanges on the day before his body was found, Roy expresses more hesitation about his plan.
Carter: "So I guess you aren't gonna do it then, all that for nothing"
Carter: "I'm just confused like you were so ready and determined"
Roy: "I am gonna eventually"
Roy: "I really don't know what I'm waiting for. . but I have everything lined up"
Carter: "No, you're not, Conrad. Last night was it. You keep pushing it off and you say you'll do it but u never do. Its always gonna be that way if u don't take action"
Carter: "You're just making it harder on yourself by pushing it off, you just have to do it"
Carter: "Do u wanna do it now?"
Roy: "Is it too late?"
Roy: "Idkk it's already light outside"
Roy: I'm gonna go back to sleep, love you I'll text you tomorrow"
Carter: "No? Its probably the best time now because everyone's sleeping. Just go somewhere in your truck. And no one's really out right now because it's an awkward time"
Carter: "If u don't do it now you're never gonna do it"
Carter: "And u can say you'll do it tomorrow but you probably won't"
---
Carter: "You just need to do it Conrad or I'm gonna get you help"
Carter: "You can't keep doing this everyday"
Roy: "Okay I'm gonna do it today"
Carter: "Do you promise"
Roy: "I promise babe"
Roy: "I have to now"
Carter: "Like right now?"
Roy: "where do I go? :("
Carter: "And u can't break a promise. And just go in a quiet parking lot or something."
Nah, she was being pretty literal.

Any recording of them actually talking about this or records of them communicating before all that? The reason why I'm asking if just about anything is damning on text because emotions can't be conveyed through it easily or you can't read facial reactions/body language or the tone of their voice. 

I still think she shouldn't go to jail over it. There are couples out there pushing for legal suicide for one of them while the other is supporting their choice. 

 

Aeolus451 said:
Azuren said:

She told someone mentally predispositioned to kill himself to do so. It's not like telling normal people to kill themselves, or telling someone you didn't know was suicidal to kill himself. As his girlfriend, she would have known he was suicidal. She would have known there was a good chance that would push him over the edge. Despite this, she still encouraged him to kill himself.

It was still his choice. I don't know their history or either of them so I'm trying to be as objective as possible over it. Isn't there couples pushing for legal suicide? That's what makes this sort of thing complicated in my opinion.


I feel this is one of those situations where you thought something was what it wasn't because you didn't bother looking into it. And now you can see it is different than you thought you'll do anything to prevent looking silly. 



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This is one of those difficult cases where the woman is ethically and pragmatically as guilty as any murderer out there (in fact, her actions are more heinous than all but first degree murders), but convicting her of outright murder would potentially open a pandora's box of what constitutes accountability for encouraging suicide in the future; I imagine in time we'd see people across the country, from kids accused of bullying to boyfriends/girlfriends accused of being emotionally abusive and so forth, suddenly dragged into court under accusations of having encouraged or in some way caused the death of someone else without even having been present.

The judicial world is the one place where "slippery slope" is not a fallacy... I certainly won't feel bad for the girl regardless of what happens, but it does concern me where this sort of thing might lead.



Maybe someone will convince her to kill herself in jail.



The light sentence is an insult and adds salts to the wounds and clearly indicates justice has not been served. Feminist laws have failed society again. Feminism blames men for all of the problems females face in life and it does not hold women accountable for their actions, it is always mens fault. Men will never receive justice as feminism continues to corrupt society. Women will continue to receive light sentences for their crimes because feminist laws ensures women are not held accountable for their actions.



Jumpin said:
JWeinCom said:

That's like saying people have sex with a drugged girl shouldn't be a crime, because people have sex all the time.  Those are obviously not analogous situations.  

Just like telling someone to kill themselves on this forum (by the way if it happens all the time, you may want to check your attitude cause I haven't seen that happen to anyone else) is not analogous to telling someone you have a close relationship with, who has confided in you that they want to kill themself, who is in the process of killing themself to kill themself.

Incorrect. That would be rape. Also, the guy was not drugged, so it is an invalid analogy due to the false equivalency.

A more accurate analogy would be a woman convincing a depressed guy to have sex with her. Would any court consider that a crime?

Yes it would if she had a disease like Aids and transmitted the disease to that man knowing she had the disease.  The fact of the matter is that she is in no obligation to change this guy mind but once she becomes the catalyst to him killing himself then she becomes an accessory to the act.  Form the text message its very clear she deliberately goads him into doing the act over the course of 2 days or more and I believe a call to seal the deal.

If you think about it and this was your son, you would consider her a murder because she did not give the family or anyone else a chance to intervene.

Another analogy would be if a person convinces a mentally challenge person to step into ongoing traffic and that person dies, would the person be prosecuted for a crime.