"When your worst selling (in 3 products) is a success, selling as much as it is just ok because?

Just as I said, they just matter when they favor your argument. Xbox, X360 and X1 dminishing sales we ignore because Xbox doesn't exist in Japan for you. Wii to WiiU sales diminishing doesn't matter because 1/4 of WiiU sales were in Japan (that says much more to its global appeal than PS4 not doing good), it is much better to sell 5M in Japan and 65M WW than 3M in Japan and 12M and not the opposite. Each PS system became more WW oriented than the previous at the same time Japan market diminished. So you trying very hard to put it as "but it only sold as much as the worse selling PS (being that at the same time just one Nintendo console outsold ANY - even the worse and not by much - Sony console)" as something of minor importance considering all context show how much you are reaching"

Its OK, it's not big success, especially if that same console is selling tvice better than same that worst selling console on every other market.

Favour of my argument!? I relly dont understand what you try to say here, fact is that 3 Xbox consoles combined sold less than 4m in Japan, that's terrible. Wii U is worst selling Nintendo console ever and their biggest failure world wide not just in Japan, and thats also fact, nobady said difrent. I never said that PS4 is failure in Japan. I dont try at all, fact is that PS4 that is on patch to become second best selling console in world, is selling on pair with worst selling Sony console in Japan.

"And have WiiU still being in front of PS4 in Japan?

And you say they can't be faulted for the will never reach 5M, but then reaching 5M is just ok, not surprising? You can surely stick to a point."

I already stated, it's good that PS4 start selling better and that's not failure after terrible 1st year, but again its not like its selling like crazy in Japan, its have OK sales.

No one said it is selling like crazy.

No one said GREAT success.

You are the one putting it at "OK".

So if something someone said wouldn't reach 5M in lifetime do that faster than the predecessor that were on a market that bought more consoles (talking only Japan) sells 5M in possibly half of its life. The sales aren't just ok. When something sells twice as fast as you think it will then it is at least a success.

Other consoles that weren't the failed WiiU also sold a lot more outside of Japan. So your argument is as selective as you want. You ignore X1 selling less than X360 in Japan (a lot less while the console itslef is believed to be above X360 aligned), WiiU selling very little (but trying to use it selling 1/4 of its sales on Japan as something to show PS4 should be higher) just to make a very narrowinded argument to up your agenda.

Doesn't matter how much you want to cover it. PS2 that was the highest selling and PS4 that can be the second best are in two completely different realities. Dreamcast, PS2, GC and HH had a very big sales on Japan, Xbox og was even acceptable as first try and considering their WW sales. The reality of this gen 15 years later is No Sega, MS gone from Japan, WiiU selling very bad on Japan as well and PS4 selling good in Japan and very good outside. Different context that you try to ignore to lessen the success of PS4.

Actually you will find some people saying it's great success in this thread. I saying its selling OK, thats my opinion and I stay behind that.

I was very clear, it's good that PS4 start selling better and that's not failure after terrible 1st year, but again its not like its selling like crazy in Japan, 5m afer 3.5 years is OK, nothing more nothing less.

No my argument is not selective, PS4 is actually first gaming hardware (outside Xbox of course) that has less than 10% sales in Japan compared to sales in rest of world. XB1 will end up selling less than Xbox360 world wide, not just in Japan.

Again, my point is very clear, fact is that PS4 that is on path to become second best selling console in world, while in Japan is selling on pair with worst selling Sony console proves that PS4 dont have great sales or that is nealry popular like in rest of world.

7. gen was very long generation for Sony, hardly that Sony will wait again more than 7 years before real successor (in Japan).

Apparently it's a sensitive subject bringing up the other consoles from the gen that failed. But as you said it's a good reference point hence why i mentioned it. 

I don't really give a rats ass how Wii U and Xbox One performed in Japan; they did actually fail. I used it to point out how you were using *them* to make yourself feel better about PS4 only doing mediocrely in Japan. I mean, damn dude! It'd be great if it outsold Wii (12 million), but it'd have to sell better than it is now to even get close.

You can't really compare two consoles that were $400.00 and $600.00 at launch.