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NawaiNey said:
specialk said:

Absolutely correct. Kind of like how SIE didn't rest on their laurels when they created MLB the Show 07. They went right on with The Show 08 and the Show 09.

I remember falling out of my chair, giddy with anticipation, when they ran that trailer for MLB the Show 10.

That's how Sports titles work...They get a new entry every year. MLB The Show is also arguably the best sports games out there.

It's amazing how they manage to make them so fast, while Nintendo will take years to make a Mario Kart and then port the same one over to their next console cause making a new game would be too much work and resources, and they'd rather keep that money in the bank so their fans can brag about how much money their favorite corporation has in the bank like they get a cut from it.

Porting Mario kart to the switch was one of the best decisions Nintendo has made. Obviously it sold well because no one bought a Wii u and mk8 is great ECT but it also freed up the bulk of the Mario kart team and they went on to make arms. That team didn't just sit around and twiddle their thumbs while Nintendo counted their money that time money and man power went into a really good new IP 



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Kai_Mao said:
Cloudman said:

Well it sounds more to me you're giving them far less credit, considering how much they're trying to output in a short period of time.

And by the end of the year, they will have published around 20+ games this year, including 3DS games and mobile. Not many can say they do that in a year.

Yeah, I've likely missed some titles, but I feel they been doing a dang good job, especially considering how they were with the Wii U/3DS 1st year.



 

              

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Kai_Mao said:
DélioPT said:

I don't know about Kirby and Yoshi, but given that there has been zero promotion of FE, i would agree that FE will arrive in the second half of 2018.

I know people expected Pokemon for Switch, but it was nothing like Federation Force.
I think they just wanted to have that announcement for E3. 
A bad decision if you ask me as that type of "we are making one, btw" announcement could have been easily made in the Pokemon Direct.

It was arguably announced due to the so-called backlash of the Pokémon Direct. Regardless though, saying that a core RPG Pokémon game is being developed alone can cause big waves. You're talking about the second best-selling franchise in the history of video games (behind Mario) and a system seller. And made by Game Freak, which is huge because they develop the mainline games while mostly leaving the spinoffs to external partners. It's like The Rock being announced for a guest appearance for RAW, people will get excited.

I consider a backlash the reaction to Federation Force. I would even consider backlash the response the DKC Tropical Freeze, backlash.
The reaction to Pokemon on 3DS? No.

Nintendo would be doomed if they reacted the way you propose everytime they get negative feedback.

Miyamotoo said:
DélioPT said:

But that's exactly it: no date was given for 2 out of 4 games.
I don't know how much it takes to develop a new generation Pokemon game, but i know that if it's in HD it will take longer than usual.

I think you don't remember well our last conversation.

I always thought they were going to show 2018 games; I complained that their focus on 2017 games for the presentation was not necessary and they should show more of 2018  games.
You always said that focus on 2017 was expected as they are only focuses on the short term (unlike Sony, as the example you used several times).

If anything, E3 proved you wrong on how "focus" was meant to be read and how Nintendo wasn't just going to use Spotlight to focus on games coming 2017.

Do you really think Nintendo would just prepare that Pokemon announcement because some fans were upset that the Pokemon games announced weren't for Switch, or that they hadn't this planned for a long time?
I could even agree that the Metroid announcement was to please some fans. But still, it's really hard to not think they could have done the "wait for it" like they did some time ago (regarding Metroid). Also, people were very pleased with the 3DS game and if that was it, i doubt we would see an outrage like we saw with Federation Force.

Again, when you plan E3 the way it was planned you do raise questions (again).
Those 2 non 2018 announcements weren't necessary.

They didnt show anything for those games, they just confirmed they are in development, most likely they want propore revile with trailer and they will give year of release. But that doenst mean they will not be relased in 2018. esapcily that said Switch Pokemon will need more than a year, holiday 2018. is almost 1.5 year from E3 2017. Yoshi and Kirby had full trailer and year of release and they will almost certain be released in 1st half of 2018. (before E3 2018.).

Thats point, E3 that's focused on 2017. games did not stopped them to show some 2018. games even to announce some games that will be released maybe beyond 2018.

I was right, focus was on 2017. games with few announcement of games that will be released outside 2017.

Its not point only about upset fans, but point that they wanted that after Pokemon 3DS announcement to be sure that Pokemon is in development for Switch, most likely we can't hear anything about that game until next year. Its similar story for Metroid Prime 4 ananucment, and actualy Regie talked about that, how Metroid Prime "is a franchise that we know people have been very eager to get some news". People were very pleased because they are getting 2D and 3DS Metroid, you can bet that people would be angry if there was Metroid 3D announcement with just remaster of 2D Metroid. E3 media measure numbers show that Metroid Prime 4 announcement one of biggest news of E3, Metroid Prime fans literally cried. :D

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1392441

Nintendo done great job with E3, and nobody really question their E3, Pokemon and Metroid Prime 4 announcement are totally logical because reasons I mention. Again, fact is taht you dont know if those game are 2018. games or not, Nintendo didn't said anything about year of releases, only fact we have they said Switch Pokemon will need more than a year of development and holiday 2018. perfectly fits that info.

 

What Reigge said is really answer on lotsa things you dont understand or you dont want to understand:

You know, for us, we believe that having hands-on opportunity married to an announcement is really the best way to do it,” Fils-Aime told IGN. “And so let’s take Super Mario Odyssey for example. We could have announced it months ago, but we weren’t yet ready, the team wasn’t ready, to show it and to let the consumer really understand visually how the hat mechanic works, how the capture mechanic comes into play. And so that’s how we think these through.”

For certain games, games that will be in development for, let’s call it a decent amount of time, like Metroid Prime 4 -- also, given that it’s a franchise that we know people have been very eager to get some news -- that’s when, fine, we’ll share it. We’ll share it early,” Fils-Aime added. “Others, we want to hold closer in and reveal it when the gameplay is going to be available. It literally is game by game, title by title, how we make that decision.”

http://adria.ign.com/metroid-prime-4/15729/news/najava-za-metroid-4-je-dosla-prerano-reggie-nam-je-rekao-zas

If they want a proper reveal they make a trailer like they do for other games. They don't go and say "oh look, we just started making these games". When you do that you waste proper reveals. Specially when there was never a mainline home console game for Pokemon and people are eagerly awaiting a new Metroid.

When they say that 2 games are coming in 2018 and don't do the same for 2 other games i don't jump to conclusions and try to act as if that that's irrelevant.
Do you really believe that if they felt Pokemon was apt for a 2018 release they wouldn't say so?

You were wrong on the part that Nintendo's new way of doing things was that they focus on the short term. It wasn't like that.

The Pokemon announcement was planned before E3. 
People want it, yes? But no one made promises; Pokemon Company always said that they had no intentions of doing so. It was just a bad decision. Fans could have easily waited for next year.
Nintendo doesn't plan these things on top of fan reactions. I haven't seen any comments showing or even hinting at that.

What are those quotes supposed to prove? MP4 is an exception to the rule.
Pokemon and Fire Emblem were not exceptions. So, that first quote also doesn't apply.

specialk said:
DélioPT said:

Nintendo a really good year with Zelda, MK8, Splatoon 2 and Mario.
The rest, despite being good to great titles are not system sellers. At least there's nothing pointing in that direction.

So your concern is that they have just 4 system sellers in the first 8 months after launch? 

No, my concern was not that Nintendo only has 4 system sellers. It was merely a statement.



NawaiNey said:
Yeah, Nintendo has by far the worst first party software output, both in terms of quality and quantity. I think it's about time people started calling them out on it.

Nice joke. As for if it's an opinion, i would guess you would be massively in the minority for that 1.



NawaiNey said:
Yeah, Nintendo has by far the worst first party software output, both in terms of quality and quantity. I think it's about time people started calling them out on it.

Lol, good joke



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NawaiNey said:
Jon-Erich said:
Super Mario Odyssey is going to be a mega hit. I know people who plan on buying a Switch for that game alone.

Isn't that quite typical? The Mario game, The Mario Kart game, The Super Smash Bros game, and The Legend of Zelda game are always the mega hits of every Nintendo console. I guess we can add Splatoon the list now going forward. 

No, Mario Sunshine and SM3DW or Wind Waker and Skyward Sword wasn't mega hits. Super Mario Odyssey and Zelda BotW doesnt seem like typical 3D Mario or typical 3D Zelda, this Super Mario Odyssey seems it will be is on scale of Mario 64 or Mario Galaxy, so basically one best 3D Mario game ever. Same goes for Zelda BotW, people are consider it for easily one best Zelda's ever (some for best ever). MK8 is considered for one best MK ever and Smash Bros 4 is biggest and most completed until now. It seems that Nintendo with Wii U and Switch is really making some of best iterations of their IPs.

 

 

DélioPT said:
 
Miyamotoo said:

They didnt show anything for those games, they just confirmed they are in development, most likely they want propore revile with trailer and they will give year of release. But that doenst mean they will not be relased in 2018. esapcily that said Switch Pokemon will need more than a year, holiday 2018. is almost 1.5 year from E3 2017. Yoshi and Kirby had full trailer and year of release and they will almost certain be released in 1st half of 2018. (before E3 2018.).

Thats point, E3 that's focused on 2017. games did not stopped them to show some 2018. games even to announce some games that will be released maybe beyond 2018.

I was right, focus was on 2017. games with few announcement of games that will be released outside 2017.

Its not point only about upset fans, but point that they wanted that after Pokemon 3DS announcement to be sure that Pokemon is in development for Switch, most likely we can't hear anything about that game until next year. Its similar story for Metroid Prime 4 ananucment, and actualy Regie talked about that, how Metroid Prime "is a franchise that we know people have been very eager to get some news". People were very pleased because they are getting 2D and 3DS Metroid, you can bet that people would be angry if there was Metroid 3D announcement with just remaster of 2D Metroid. E3 media measure numbers show that Metroid Prime 4 announcement one of biggest news of E3, Metroid Prime fans literally cried. :D

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1392441

Nintendo done great job with E3, and nobody really question their E3, Pokemon and Metroid Prime 4 announcement are totally logical because reasons I mention. Again, fact is taht you dont know if those game are 2018. games or not, Nintendo didn't said anything about year of releases, only fact we have they said Switch Pokemon will need more than a year of development and holiday 2018. perfectly fits that info.

 

What Reigge said is really answer on lotsa things you dont understand or you dont want to understand:

You know, for us, we believe that having hands-on opportunity married to an announcement is really the best way to do it,” Fils-Aime told IGN. “And so let’s take Super Mario Odyssey for example. We could have announced it months ago, but we weren’t yet ready, the team wasn’t ready, to show it and to let the consumer really understand visually how the hat mechanic works, how the capture mechanic comes into play. And so that’s how we think these through.”

For certain games, games that will be in development for, let’s call it a decent amount of time, like Metroid Prime 4 -- also, given that it’s a franchise that we know people have been very eager to get some news -- that’s when, fine, we’ll share it. We’ll share it early,” Fils-Aime added. “Others, we want to hold closer in and reveal it when the gameplay is going to be available. It literally is game by game, title by title, how we make that decision.”

http://adria.ign.com/metroid-prime-4/15729/news/najava-za-metroid-4-je-dosla-prerano-reggie-nam-je-rekao-zas

If they want a proper reveal they make a trailer like they do for other games. They don't go and say "oh look, we just started making these games". When you do that you waste proper reveals. Specially when there was never a mainline home console game for Pokemon and people are eagerly awaiting a new Metroid. When they say that 2 games are coming in 2018 and don't do the same for 2 other games i don't jump to conclusions and try to act as if that that's irrelevant.
Do you really believe that if they felt Pokemon was apt for a 2018 release they wouldn't say so?

You were wrong on the part that Nintendo's new way of doing things was that they focus on the short term. It wasn't like that.

The Pokemon announcement was planned before E3. 
People want it, yes? But no one made promises; Pokemon Company always said that they had no intentions of doing so. It was just a bad decision. Fans could have easily waited for next year.
Nintendo doesn't plan these things on top of fan reactions. I haven't seen any comments showing or even hinting at that.

What are those quotes supposed to prove? MP4 is an exception to the rule.
Pokemon and Fire Emblem were not exceptions. So, that first quote also doesn't apply.

 

That's my point, Metroid Prime and Pokemon are not proper announcements for Nintendo, they are just confirmation that they are in development, that's why they didn't had any trailer or year of release. Also they never said they just started working on those games.

No I wasnt wrong and they did focus on short terms games, clear facts again disproves you. They showed 12 games and 1 DLC in Nintendo E3 Spotlight, 8 of them and DLC are releasing this year, 2 games most likely in 1st half of 2018. and two in second half of 2018. or beyond.

It seems you don't see anything, there was huge amount of people that were disappointed and confused when Pokemon for 3DS was announced but nothing was announced for Switch, Nintendo just wanted to ensure people that Pokemon is in development for Switch. Similar goes for Metroid Prime.

Those quotes proves how Nintendo is managing announcement of games, that they in most cases showing games when they have gameplay and they are very far in development, but in some cases they are expectations and they will announce game even it's not so long in development.

 

You need to realise that Nintendo will announcing Switch games for 2018. in next 12 months, basically we will again have E3 where Nintendo will announce some games that will be out later that same year, same like this year around E3 we had Pokemon Tournament DX, Mario Rabbids and Rocket League announcements that are coming later this year. Again, don't forget that Nintendo most for Switch 2017. games announced in January of same year.



Miyamotoo said:

 

 

DélioPT said:

 

That's my point, Metroid Prime and Pokemon are not proper announcements for Nintendo, they are just confirmation that they are in development, that's why they didn't had any trailer or year of release. Also they never said they just started working on those games.

No I wasnt wrong and they did focus on short terms games, clear facts again disproves you. They showed 12 games and 1 DLC in Nintendo E3 Spotlight, 8 of them and DLC are releasing this year, 2 games most likely in 1st half of 2018. and two in second half of 2018. or beyond.

It seems you don't see anything, there was huge amount of people that were disappointed and confused when Pokemon for 3DS was announced but nothing was announced for Switch, Nintendo just wanted to ensure people that Pokemon is in development for Switch. Similar goes for Metroid Prime.

Those quotes proves how Nintendo is managing announcement of games, that they in most cases showing games when they have gameplay and they are very far in development, but in some cases they are expectations and they will announce game even it's not so long in development.

 

You need to realise that Nintendo will announcing Switch games for 2018. in next 12 months, basically we will again have E3 where Nintendo will announce some games that will be out later that same year, same like this year around E3 we had Pokemon Tournament DX, Mario Rabbids and Rocket League announcements that are coming later this year. Again, don't forget that Nintendo most for Switch 2017. games announced in January of same year.

But they were announced and the surprise effect is gone.
This is isn't one of those games you automatically assume it's coming, like Mario or Zelda.

I'm not going to search for the exact quotes (watch the videos and you'll see it), but this is basically what they said in the trailers:
Pokemon - We recently started development
Metroid - now in development

You were wrong.
Your vision of Spotlight was that it was going to be used to promote 2017 games and maybe show one or two games for 2018.
They also showed 2 games that are not marked for 2018. Therefore, i assume it's, at least, 2019.
This last part, is what you got wrong because you took Nintendo's PR speech to the letter.

I know there was dissapointment but it wasn't as big as Federation Force or even Tropical Freeze, for example.
Do you really believe Nintendo would rush to announce and made all those video alterations to Spotlight just because fans were upset? If that was the case we would have known about Metroid 3DS after the (real) backlash that was Federation Force.
This announcement was saved for E3 the same way Metroid 3DS was saved for Treehouse.

I think Metroid was the only game they announced, voluntarily, so far ahead.
In January 2013 (talking about Xenoblade and Yoshi), it was Nintendo in panic mode.

I'm sorry, but your last paragraph doesn't make a lot of sense.
You speak of games that were saved for E3, but none of them are 1st party (the object of this thread, btw). Our talks were always about 1st party efforts.
And you're right, most of 2017 games were announced in January... but that was, as far as we know, the exception (console reveal). Now, Nintendo, has to plan things differently and unless there's a big event early each year, E3 will again become the main venue (trust me!).
I do believe there will be more 2018 games - i do not understand why you keep talking as if i implied the opposite -, they have to.



DélioPT said:
Miyamotoo said:

 

That's my point, Metroid Prime and Pokemon are not proper announcements for Nintendo, they are just confirmation that they are in development, that's why they didn't had any trailer or year of release. Also they never said they just started working on those games.

No I wasnt wrong and they did focus on short terms games, clear facts again disproves you. They showed 12 games and 1 DLC in Nintendo E3 Spotlight, 8 of them and DLC are releasing this year, 2 games most likely in 1st half of 2018. and two in second half of 2018. or beyond.

It seems you don't see anything, there was huge amount of people that were disappointed and confused when Pokemon for 3DS was announced but nothing was announced for Switch, Nintendo just wanted to ensure people that Pokemon is in development for Switch. Similar goes for Metroid Prime.

Those quotes proves how Nintendo is managing announcement of games, that they in most cases showing games when they have gameplay and they are very far in development, but in some cases they are expectations and they will announce game even it's not so long in development.

 

You need to realise that Nintendo will announcing Switch games for 2018. in next 12 months, basically we will again have E3 where Nintendo will announce some games that will be out later that same year, same like this year around E3 we had Pokemon Tournament DX, Mario Rabbids and Rocket League announcements that are coming later this year. Again, don't forget that Nintendo most for Switch 2017. games announced in January of same year.

But they were announced and the surprise effect is gone.
This is isn't one of those games you automatically assume it's coming, like Mario or Zelda.

I'm not going to search for the exact quotes (watch the videos and you'll see it), but this is basically what they said in the trailers:
Pokemon - We recently started development
Metroid - now in development

You were wrong.
Your vision of Spotlight was that it was going to be used to promote 2017 games and maybe show one or two games for 2018.
They also showed 2 games that are not marked for 2018. Therefore, i assume it's, at least, 2019.
This last part, is what you got wrong because you took Nintendo's PR speech to the letter.

I know there was dissapointment but it wasn't as big as Federation Force or even Tropical Freeze, for example.
Do you really believe Nintendo would rush to announce and made all those video alterations to Spotlight just because fans were upset? If that was the case we would have known about Metroid 3DS after the (real) backlash that was Federation Force.
This announcement was saved for E3 the same way Metroid 3DS was saved for Treehouse.



I'm sorry, but your last paragraph doesn't make a lot of sense.
You speak of games that were saved for E3, but none of them are 1st party (the object of this thread, btw). Our talks were always about 1st party efforts.
And you're right, most of 2017 games were announced in January... but that was, as fair as we know, the exception (console reveal). Now, Nintendo, has to plan things differently and unless there's a big event early each year, E3 will again become the main venue (trust me!).
I do believe there will be more 2018 games - i do not understand why you keep talking as if i implied the opposite -, they have to.

Metroid Prime announcement was one of biggest announcements of E3 despite Nintendo showed just logo, Metroid Prime fans were literally crying after announcement. People now know those games are coming, not they will wait to actually see them.

They said "Game Freaks has begun developing" Pokemon for Switch, but they didnt said "recently" or "just". And for Metroid "now in development" can men do not meant they couldn't working on game for quiet time now.

Lie, my vision of E3 2017. was that they will focus on 2017. games and to promote 2017. games on 1st place, and that they will show at least around two 2018. games despite they are focusing on 2017. games. And they did that, they did focus one 2017. games, they did show two 2018. games that will most likly be realased in 1st half of 2018. and they showed 2 games that could be relased in second half of 2018. or beyond. You are very well aware that I wrote to you multiply times that "focus on 2017. games" doesn't mean they will talk or show only 2017. games.

DKTF and Federation Force doesn't have anything with this situation. With Pokemon Nintendo just wanted to ensure people that Pokemon is in development for Switch after 3DS anancument (we are talking about biggest Nintendo IP), and this announcement was very simple, same goes for Metroid Prime. Metroid 3DS announcement isn't nearly important like Metroid Prime 4 announcement, its remaster of 2D Metroid game, fact that is announced at TreeHouse also proves that.

 

It totaly make sense, but you still dont get it. Pokemon Tournament is announced just before E3, Mario Rabbids is Switch exclusive game with Nintendo IP and its is announced at E3. Nintendo could anancued those games also in January, but they didn't. But that exception was totally different to any other Nintendo console reveal, thats is clear proof and fact that Nintendo is now managing announcements and releases different. They will have Nintendo Direct and E3 where they will announcing other their games for 2018. Again, its doesnt make any sense to be worried about Switch 2018. lineup in middle of 2017. when we already have 3-5 2018. announcements and when we already saw how they managed 2017. lineup with announcements and releases.



They make better first party than Sony and MS... don't see the issue.



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2D Mario games don't sell consoles on their own, 3D Mario games do. Also Pokémon announced for 2018, and that will sell a lot of consoles. On 3DS, it allowed the handheld to increase year over year. The only active console which did that.



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