Nintendo First Party Software Problems

[DélioPT]

Kai_Mao said:

DélioPT said:

I don't know about Kirby and Yoshi, but given that there has been zero promotion of FE, i would agree that FE will arrive in the second half of 2018.

I know people expected Pokemon for Switch, but it was nothing like Federation Force.
I think they just wanted to have that announcement for E3. 
A bad decision if you ask me as that type of "we are making one, btw" announcement could have been easily made in the Pokemon Direct.

It was arguably announced due to the so-called backlash of the Pokémon Direct. Regardless though, saying that a core RPG Pokémon game is being developed alone can cause big waves. You're talking about the second best-selling franchise in the history of video games (behind Mario) and a system seller. And made by Game Freak, which is huge because they develop the mainline games while mostly leaving the spinoffs to external partners. It's like The Rock being announced for a guest appearance for RAW, people will get excited.

I consider a backlash the reaction to Federation Force. I would even consider backlash the response the DKC Tropical Freeze, backlash.
The reaction to Pokemon on 3DS? No.

Nintendo would be doomed if they reacted the way you propose everytime they get negative feedback.

Miyamotoo said:

DélioPT said:

But that's exactly it: no date was given for 2 out of 4 games.
I don't know how much it takes to develop a new generation Pokemon game, but i know that if it's in HD it will take longer than usual.

I think you don't remember well our last conversation.

I always thought they were going to show 2018 games; I complained that their focus on 2017 games for the presentation was not necessary and they should show more of 2018  games.
You always said that focus on 2017 was expected as they are only focuses on the short term (unlike Sony, as the example you used several times).

If anything, E3 proved you wrong on how "focus" was meant to be read and how Nintendo wasn't just going to use Spotlight to focus on games coming 2017.

Do you really think Nintendo would just prepare that Pokemon announcement because some fans were upset that the Pokemon games announced weren't for Switch, or that they hadn't this planned for a long time?
I could even agree that the Metroid announcement was to please some fans. But still, it's really hard to not think they could have done the "wait for it" like they did some time ago (regarding Metroid). Also, people were very pleased with the 3DS game and if that was it, i doubt we would see an outrage like we saw with Federation Force.

Again, when you plan E3 the way it was planned you do raise questions (again).
Those 2 non 2018 announcements weren't necessary.

They didnt show anything for those games, they just confirmed they are in development, most likely they want propore revile with trailer and they will give year of release. But that doenst mean they will not be relased in 2018. esapcily that said Switch Pokemon will need more than a year, holiday 2018. is almost 1.5 year from E3 2017. Yoshi and Kirby had full trailer and year of release and they will almost certain be released in 1st half of 2018. (before E3 2018.).

Thats point, E3 that's focused on 2017. games did not stopped them to show some 2018. games even to announce some games that will be released maybe beyond 2018.

I was right, focus was on 2017. games with few announcement of games that will be released outside 2017.

Its not point only about upset fans, but point that they wanted that after Pokemon 3DS announcement to be sure that Pokemon is in development for Switch, most likely we can't hear anything about that game until next year. Its similar story for Metroid Prime 4 ananucment, and actualy Regie talked about that, how Metroid Prime "is a franchise that we know people have been very eager to get some news". People were very pleased because they are getting 2D and 3DS Metroid, you can bet that people would be angry if there was Metroid 3D announcement with just remaster of 2D Metroid. E3 media measure numbers show that Metroid Prime 4 announcement one of biggest news of E3, Metroid Prime fans literally cried. :D

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1392441

Nintendo done great job with E3, and nobody really question their E3, Pokemon and Metroid Prime 4 announcement are totally logical because reasons I mention. Again, fact is taht you dont know if those game are 2018. games or not, Nintendo didn't said anything about year of releases, only fact we have they said Switch Pokemon will need more than a year of development and holiday 2018. perfectly fits that info.

 

What Reigge said is really answer on lotsa things you dont understand or you dont want to understand:

“You know, for us, we believe that having hands-on opportunity married to an announcement is really the best way to do it,” Fils-Aime told IGN. “And so let’s take Super Mario Odyssey for example. We could have announced it months ago, but we weren’t yet ready, the team wasn’t ready, to show it and to let the consumer really understand visually how the hat mechanic works, how the capture mechanic comes into play. And so that’s how we think these through.”

“For certain games, games that will be in development for, let’s call it a decent amount of time, like Metroid Prime 4 -- also, given that it’s a franchise that we know people have been very eager to get some news -- that’s when, fine, we’ll share it. We’ll share it early,” Fils-Aime added. “Others, we want to hold closer in and reveal it when the gameplay is going to be available. It literally is game by game, title by title, how we make that decision.”

http://adria.ign.com/metroid-prime-4/15729/news/najava-za-metroid-4-je-dosla-prerano-reggie-nam-je-rekao-zas

If they want a proper reveal they make a trailer like they do for other games. They don't go and say "oh look, we just started making these games". When you do that you waste proper reveals. Specially when there was never a mainline home console game for Pokemon and people are eagerly awaiting a new Metroid.

When they say that 2 games are coming in 2018 and don't do the same for 2 other games i don't jump to conclusions and try to act as if that that's irrelevant.
Do you really believe that if they felt Pokemon was apt for a 2018 release they wouldn't say so?

You were wrong on the part that Nintendo's new way of doing things was that they focus on the short term. It wasn't like that.

The Pokemon announcement was planned before E3. 
People want it, yes? But no one made promises; Pokemon Company always said that they had no intentions of doing so. It was just a bad decision. Fans could have easily waited for next year.
Nintendo doesn't plan these things on top of fan reactions. I haven't seen any comments showing or even hinting at that.

What are those quotes supposed to prove? MP4 is an exception to the rule.
Pokemon and Fire Emblem were not exceptions. So, that first quote also doesn't apply.

specialk said:

DélioPT said:

Nintendo a really good year with Zelda, MK8, Splatoon 2 and Mario.
The rest, despite being good to great titles are not system sellers. At least there's nothing pointing in that direction.

So your concern is that they have just 4 system sellers in the first 8 months after launch? 

No, my concern was not that Nintendo only has 4 system sellers. It was merely a statement.