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TH3-D0S3R on 29 June 2017
Nem said:
Scoobes said:

That really shouldn't be the case. When news outlets deceive (right or left) then it damages democracy nearly as much as when politicians do it. 

It's freedom of speach. You can't just forcibly shut them up. That's fascism. 

Quite honestly what is going on in the US atm and the attack that is beeing made to the media is a fascist attack. I would worry about that.

The difference here is that what people on TV say isn't the truth. Want to force them to tell the truth? Don't give them credit, don't watch them, make fun of them for beeing ridiculous. Like, this kind of thing only happen in the US. In the coutries i've lived in, any ridiculous claims are treated as ridiculous ones. They are pointed and left at and they lose all credibility. Be it polititians or anyone else.

I agree, but at the same time freedom of speech has limits. There are two examples that stand out to me, and that is inciting violence (i.e. Kathy Griffin), and misleading those with something that can threaten their well being. If you go to an airport yelling I have a bomb at the top of your lungs, you won't be heralded for freedom of speech. Just because you can say what you want doesn't mean there shouldn't be consequences for where you're saying it.

That being said, what CNN is doing (based on their Supposed 'Credentials') is wrong as all hell. They promote themselves as 'real news', but openly lie to mislead and pander to their base that just wants to hear something that sounds good to them. CNN promotes themselves as true, and yet they purposely go out of their way to lie about stories in order to garner attention, good or bad. They manipulate the Constitution to say oh we have freedom of the press, while not realizing what the point of freedom of the press is, to expose THE TRUTH, where it may not be known. Don't like the media being under attack, well, maybe they shouldn't lie about stories for views. It's not the facists fault the media is getting exposed, it's the corrupt media. Supposed 'facists' don't hate the media because what they report goes against their values, they hate it because all they report is lying garbage. If the media wants to be taken seriously, it needs to clean house and make a platform for both sides to have a coherrent and logical debate. Until then, we're stuck with the lying machines.



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Slimebeast on 29 June 2017
Soundwave said:
Slimebeast said:

Because they hate what the Trump movement stands for ideologically, which is:

*free and independent nation states

*the right of people to self-determination

*preservation of our history and cultural heritage

*a Western society based on the natural order and Judeo-Christian morals.

(in other words: conservatism)

Against this stands the whole world's leftist and liberal capitalist powers, who's goal is to create a multicultural utopia on the entire planet governed by a world government, no matter if it's against the will of the people. That's the only reason.

Leftists and globalists want to flood USA and Europe with people from the third world in order to destabilize our institutions and values, and dilute the white race and make us forget our identity, culture and history. Because socialism is by definition internationalist. It wants to destroy all nation states and mix all ethnic groups together in the whole world into a multicultural family. Capitalists on the other hand are strongly in on this idea because the elite will always economically profit in a world where there is free movement of people and trade, where there is desperate people for cheap labor. Capitalists are willing to sacrifice all human culture, tradition and values in the world in order to make more economic wealth for themselves.

The "Russia interference into US elections"-affair is artificially blown up to a huge thing only because of this goal.

The whole affair is totally bizarre. How can it even be illegal for Trump's people to discuss with the Russians before the elections and discuss a new US policy towards Russia and the Middle East?

But CNN and the rest of leftist media pumped up the case into some magic conspiracy.

It's a witch hunt against a democratically elected leader on a scale the world has never seen yet.

Worships Middle Eastern Man as his messiah. 

Hates Colored People. 

Simultaneously lumps Captialists AND Communists together in grand conspiracy theory. 

Yup, I'd say this is about par for the course. American is a multicultural country. Get over it. 

Trump is a buffoon who acts like a baby. He gets away with things no president would dream of doing. The funny thing he's manipulating most of his idiotic fan base. He's not going to do 90% of the things he talks about, it's just a con job, just as you would expect from a reality TV show star. 

If Trump was just an inate, impotent baffoon unable to accomplish anything of substance, like you claim, we would not see this world-wide witch-hunt media campaign and awareness all over the globe. There would be not so much need for all this alarmism and having to resort to lies all the time.

Trump has many defects like being a loudmouth, proud, liar, con-artist, narcissist, bullshitter and a hypocrite, but that's not at all why people all the way from commies, to SJWs to neocons hate him. They hate him because he stands for traditionalist social-conservative ideas (albeit delivered in a quite messy and incoherent fashion lol).



Soundwave on 29 June 2017
TH3-D0S3R said:
Nem said:

It's freedom of speach. You can't just forcibly shut them up. That's fascism. 

Quite honestly what is going on in the US atm and the attack that is beeing made to the media is a fascist attack. I would worry about that.

The difference here is that what people on TV say isn't the truth. Want to force them to tell the truth? Don't give them credit, don't watch them, make fun of them for beeing ridiculous. Like, this kind of thing only happen in the US. In the coutries i've lived in, any ridiculous claims are treated as ridiculous ones. They are pointed and left at and they lose all credibility. Be it polititians or anyone else.

I agree, but at the same time freedom of speech has limits. There are two examples that stand out to me, and that is inciting violence (i.e. Kathy Griffin), and misleading those with something that can threaten their well being. If you go to an airport yelling I have a bomb at the top of your lungs, you won't be heralded for freedom of speech. Just because you can say what you want doesn't mean there shouldn't be consequences for where you're saying it.

That being said, what CNN is doing (based on their Supposed 'Credentials') is wrong as all hell. They promote themselves as 'real news', but openly lie to mislead and pander to their base that just wants to hear something that sounds good to them. CNN promotes themselves as true, and yet they purposely go out of their way to lie about stories in order to garner attention, good or bad. They manipulate the Constitution to say oh we have freedom of the press, while not realizing what the point of freedom of the press is, to expose THE TRUTH, where it may not be known. Don't like the media being under attack, well, maybe they shouldn't lie about stories for views. It's not the facists fault the media is getting exposed, it's the corrupt media. Supposed 'facists' don't hate the media because what they report goes against their values, they hate it because all they report is lying garbage. If the media wants to be taken seriously, it needs to clean house and make a platform for both sides to have a coherrent and logical debate. Until then, we're stuck with the lying machines.

The Russia story is not a "made up story". There is a legitimate investigation going on about it. Maybe CNN is pushing the story hard, but that doesn't make it a "fake" story. 

Secondly, all of you now crying about this are hypocrites if you said nothing about how Fox News treated president Obama for 8 years or the hysteria over stupid emails that got Trump elected in the first place. 

Seems to me like the issue really is Trump can't handle it when he is the target. 



SecondWar on 29 June 2017
Illusion said:
SecondWar said:

I can't see why they would hate him, most of his policies seem to be geared to their benefit. All new outlets have a market they carter for, change that and they lose viewers. Infowars broadcasts weird conspiracy theories, if they started airing somethin else they'd lose their audience.


Or maybe I'm just biased as I'm not American so "America-first" isn't going to win me over.

The mainstream media has completely devastated its own credibility by pushing the Russian narrative so hard.  No rational media organization would do something like this without having evidence.  The MSM is acting like a kamikaze pilot who is willing to kill himself to do even just a bit of damage to his enemy.   The reason for this is simple, the mainstream media is just a pawn in what amounts to be a much larger chess game being played out by multinational monopolies like Amazon, Google, Microsoft, Apple, Facebook, big banks such as Goldman Sachs, General Electric, etc..

http://www.businessinsider.com/these-6-corporations-control-90-of-the-media-in-america-2012-6

Most of the multinational mega-monopolies that run the media are so big now that globalism will basically grant them complete autonomy over a huge segment of the world.  Globalism involves making the nation state obsolete and opening up borders and this allows a multi-national corporation to become exponentially more powerful since they can now undercut local business by utilizing cheap slave labour in poorer parts of the world and achieve economies of scale through mass production and serving many different countries.  At this stage in the game, it isn't about profit, the elites running these companies are interested in political control and dominance. 

Trump is a nationalist who wants to strengthen America's borders which effectively puts up barriers against globalism.  Even if Trump's boost to the stock market helps companies like Goldman Sachs inside the US, his America-first agenda severely harms their much larger global aspirations for international control and influence.

So yes, the media benefits hugely from Trump, both from his business-friendly policies as well as the headlines that he creates.  That said, the mainstream media still hates his guts because they are nothing more than a pawn for the globalists.  The ambitions of the globalists go far beyond just turning a profit with their US-owned companies, they want global governance and dominance such as they would have had with Hillary Clinton who was completely bought off by big corporate donors (if you don't believe me, look at her top donors).  Trump is a huge threat to the globalists because not only can he not be controlled by them, he has openly set the stage to fight against globalism which is the very framework for dominance that they are trying to create.

Without even looking, Infind it hard not to believe that. in fact, when I had my pros and cons of both candidates it was about the only pro I had from Trump - that he was self funded and not beholden to his campaign funders.



irstupid on 29 June 2017
Soundwave said:
TH3-D0S3R said:

I agree, but at the same time freedom of speech has limits. There are two examples that stand out to me, and that is inciting violence (i.e. Kathy Griffin), and misleading those with something that can threaten their well being. If you go to an airport yelling I have a bomb at the top of your lungs, you won't be heralded for freedom of speech. Just because you can say what you want doesn't mean there shouldn't be consequences for where you're saying it.

That being said, what CNN is doing (based on their Supposed 'Credentials') is wrong as all hell. They promote themselves as 'real news', but openly lie to mislead and pander to their base that just wants to hear something that sounds good to them. CNN promotes themselves as true, and yet they purposely go out of their way to lie about stories in order to garner attention, good or bad. They manipulate the Constitution to say oh we have freedom of the press, while not realizing what the point of freedom of the press is, to expose THE TRUTH, where it may not be known. Don't like the media being under attack, well, maybe they shouldn't lie about stories for views. It's not the facists fault the media is getting exposed, it's the corrupt media. Supposed 'facists' don't hate the media because what they report goes against their values, they hate it because all they report is lying garbage. If the media wants to be taken seriously, it needs to clean house and make a platform for both sides to have a coherrent and logical debate. Until then, we're stuck with the lying machines.

The Russia story is not a "made up story". There is a legitimate investigation going on about it. Maybe CNN is pushing the story hard, but that doesn't make it a "fake" story. 

Secondly, all of you now crying about this are hypocrites if you said nothing about how Fox News treated president Obama for 8 years or the hysteria over stupid emails that got Trump elected in the first place. 

Seems to me like the issue really is Trump can't handle it when he is the target. 

Love the hypocrisy. So the Russia story is a complete legit story that has a investigation going on, yet the emails were stupid hysteria. If I recal, there was an investigation goin on with that too. Comey even came out and said she was bad, yet they weren't going to press any charges.



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Slimebeast on 29 June 2017

Imagine if Trump didn't have all those deficiencies, like being a pathological liar, always bragging, ignorant, not well-read on subjects, arrogant etc . He would be much more dangerous in the eyes of the leftists.

So think one day if we could get a really charismatic and well-spoken guy like Obama, Macron or Bill Clinton to deliver Trump's underlying ideology, then we would see real change in society in the right direction.



o_O.Q on 29 June 2017
Soundwave said:
TH3-D0S3R said:

I agree, but at the same time freedom of speech has limits. There are two examples that stand out to me, and that is inciting violence (i.e. Kathy Griffin), and misleading those with something that can threaten their well being. If you go to an airport yelling I have a bomb at the top of your lungs, you won't be heralded for freedom of speech. Just because you can say what you want doesn't mean there shouldn't be consequences for where you're saying it.

That being said, what CNN is doing (based on their Supposed 'Credentials') is wrong as all hell. They promote themselves as 'real news', but openly lie to mislead and pander to their base that just wants to hear something that sounds good to them. CNN promotes themselves as true, and yet they purposely go out of their way to lie about stories in order to garner attention, good or bad. They manipulate the Constitution to say oh we have freedom of the press, while not realizing what the point of freedom of the press is, to expose THE TRUTH, where it may not be known. Don't like the media being under attack, well, maybe they shouldn't lie about stories for views. It's not the facists fault the media is getting exposed, it's the corrupt media. Supposed 'facists' don't hate the media because what they report goes against their values, they hate it because all they report is lying garbage. If the media wants to be taken seriously, it needs to clean house and make a platform for both sides to have a coherrent and logical debate. Until then, we're stuck with the lying machines.

The Russia story is not a "made up story". There is a legitimate investigation going on about it. Maybe CNN is pushing the story hard, but that doesn't make it a "fake" story. 

Secondly, all of you now crying about this are hypocrites if you said nothing about how Fox News treated president Obama for 8 years or the hysteria over stupid emails that got Trump elected in the first place. 

Seems to me like the issue really is Trump can't handle it when he is the target. 

 legitimate investigations can be carried out on events that are later proven to be faked or blown out of proportion...



TH3-D0S3R on 29 June 2017
Soundwave said:
TH3-D0S3R said:

I agree, but at the same time freedom of speech has limits. There are two examples that stand out to me, and that is inciting violence (i.e. Kathy Griffin), and misleading those with something that can threaten their well being. If you go to an airport yelling I have a bomb at the top of your lungs, you won't be heralded for freedom of speech. Just because you can say what you want doesn't mean there shouldn't be consequences for where you're saying it.

That being said, what CNN is doing (based on their Supposed 'Credentials') is wrong as all hell. They promote themselves as 'real news', but openly lie to mislead and pander to their base that just wants to hear something that sounds good to them. CNN promotes themselves as true, and yet they purposely go out of their way to lie about stories in order to garner attention, good or bad. They manipulate the Constitution to say oh we have freedom of the press, while not realizing what the point of freedom of the press is, to expose THE TRUTH, where it may not be known. Don't like the media being under attack, well, maybe they shouldn't lie about stories for views. It's not the facists fault the media is getting exposed, it's the corrupt media. Supposed 'facists' don't hate the media because what they report goes against their values, they hate it because all they report is lying garbage. If the media wants to be taken seriously, it needs to clean house and make a platform for both sides to have a coherrent and logical debate. Until then, we're stuck with the lying machines.

The Russia story is not a "made up story". There is a legitimate investigation going on about it. Maybe CNN is pushing the story hard, but that doesn't make it a "fake" story. 

Secondly, all of you now crying about this are hypocrites if you said nothing about how Fox News treated president Obama for 8 years or the hysteria over stupid emails that got Trump elected in the first place. 

Seems to me like the issue really is Trump can't handle it when he is the target. 

1. After Comey himself told Trump he was never under investigation? And even if this investigation does exist, it's been 8 months, and whether or not you like to admit it the FBI has stated they did wiretapped Trump Tower before hand on a seperate issue. Odds are if they haven't found anything yet, they won't.

2. Oh come on, just because Fox did it doesn't mean it's right either (I've already stated I don't like Fox and their crappy neocon ways). Don't use the well Obama got treated this way argument, it's not a valid point. Besides, I never in the 8 years of Obama's presidency had seen Fox bolster a completely baseless and fake news story just for the views on the grounds of Russia. Sure there may have been some, but not on this level where you hear nonstop about it for 8 months.



Aeolus451 on 29 June 2017
Nem said:
Scoobes said:

That really shouldn't be the case. When news outlets deceive (right or left) then it damages democracy nearly as much as when politicians do it. 

It's freedom of speach. You can't just forcibly shut them up. That's fascism. 

Quite honestly what is going on in the US atm and the attack that is beeing made to the media is a fascist attack. I would worry about that.

The difference here is that what people on TV say isn't the truth. Want to force them to tell the truth? Don't give them credit, don't watch them, make fun of them for beeing ridiculous. Like, this kind of thing only happen in the US. In the coutries i've lived in, any ridiculous claims are treated as ridiculous ones. They are pointed and left at and they lose all credibility. Be it polititians or anyone else.

You're using the word fascist a little to loosely there. I think it's completely fine that Trump calls a lot of them fake news and that he defends his character from their attacks by counter attacking them. It's no different than when two people argue and start mud slinging. 

I agree with both sides of the freedom of speech stuff.  You can say what you want including offending people just as long as you don't incite violence or get to the point that you're defaming/slandering someone (has to be provable). I also believe that freedom of speech doesn't protect a person from any the consequences from what they say.  Like losing a job or losing costumers. It's the price of saying something on a platform that's very public or that whatever said managed to become viral.

What most of the US media is doing is not journalism. They are not simply reporting the news. They are acting like youtubers doing reaction vids to someone they don't like. Most of them are acting as a propaganda outlet of a political party or as activists pushing an agenda without any care for accuracy of what they report. I'm fine with any journalist being somewhat biased just as long as they are honest about it and I think that no person can be truly objective with the new but there's a fine line between news and propaganda. 



Soundwave on 29 June 2017
o_O.Q said:
Soundwave said:

The Russia story is not a "made up story". There is a legitimate investigation going on about it. Maybe CNN is pushing the story hard, but that doesn't make it a "fake" story. 

Secondly, all of you now crying about this are hypocrites if you said nothing about how Fox News treated president Obama for 8 years or the hysteria over stupid emails that got Trump elected in the first place. 

Seems to me like the issue really is Trump can't handle it when he is the target. 

 legitimate investigations can be carried out on events that are later proven to be faked or blown out of proportion...

It's a legitimate investigation. Period. They wouldn't be wasting their time if there was no reasonable cause to investigate.