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SvennoJ said:
pleaserecycle said:

I should have phrased my bolded text as, "At this point we don't have any evidence showing that the earth is round...".  My point being that I can understand how someone believes the earth is flat because we mostly experience a "flat" earth.  It seems especially plausible when we start thinking about why cross-country railroad pieces are flat.  Could flat railroad pieces exist in a round world?  I don't think the solution is very intuitive, but we can demonstrate it by zooming into the edge of a circle and prove it using mathematics.  Even so, we haven't debunked a flat or round earth; we have only shown that flat railroad pieces can exist in both.  

How do flat earthers explain this?

Or timezones, gps, different night sky in the southern hemisphere, seasons, etc. Btw railroad pieces aren't flat, they bend, how do trains go around corners or up hills otherwise ;) I don't know what is taught in school though. My kids know the earth is a globe and about gravity although they probably don't fully understand it yet. They get their science taught through games. Like centrifugal force, swinging a bucket around on a rope so the water stays in. Not hat much of a leap to go to the reverse to understand gravity as a force with a central point.

There's a surprising amount of depth to flat earth models that describes most of those situations, but I haven't heard a reasonable explanation for satellites.  They're typically written off as a large-scale deception created by the government.

Not that it matters, but the water stays in the bucket because of the force of the bucket on the water.  Gravity still wants the water (and the bucket) to drop on our heads.  :)



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Hiku said:

China Southern Airlines #CZ380 delayed 5 hours after woman throws coins into engine to pray for peace at Shanghai


http://www.airlive.net/news-china-southern-airlines-cz380-delayed-5-hours-after-woman-throws-coins-into-engine-to-pray-for-peace-at-shanghai/

You're supposed to throw it into fountains, not plane engines



SpokenTruth said:
pleaserecycle said:

There's a surprising amount of depth to flat earth models that describes most of those situations, but I haven't heard a reasonable explanation for satellites.  They're typically written off as a large-scale deception created by the government.

Not that it matters, but the water stays in the bucket because of the force of the bucket on the water.  Gravity still wants the water (and the bucket) to drop on our heads.  :)

Actually, there is not.  The "depth" they offer is a mixture of conjecture, illogical conclusions, baseless presuppositions and a hope that their followers are too stupid to know better.

Occam's razor and the scientific method.  They fully ignore both.

I'd describe it as a selective use of physics; when a facet of the flat earth model coexists within the existing framework of physics, they make it apparent.  However, they conveniently avoid any collisions.  For example, if there is truely a universal acceleration of 9.8 m/s^2 then how do we explain the small weight differences between a person on earth and that same person in an airplane at cruising altitude? 



SpokenTruth said:
pleaserecycle said:

I'd describe it as a selective use of physics; when a facet of the flat earth model coexists within the existing framework of physics, they make it apparent.  However, they conveniently avoid any collisions.  For example, if there is truely a universal acceleration of 9.8 m/s then how do we explain the small weight differences between a person on earth and that same person in an airplane at cruising altitude? 

Because gravity is inversely proprtional to the square of the distance between the Earth's center of gravity and the center of gravity of the person.

It's part of Newton's laws of universal gravitation.

Universal acceleration is a concept in flat earth models that states that the flat earth is accelerating at 9.8 m/s^2.  It attempts to replace our concept of gravity.  In our framework of physics, your explanation is correct and we can measure the difference with a good enough scale.  I don't know how the flat earth model reconciles that with their universal acceleration though.  They conveniently avoid it.  



Qwark said:

So who's the most professional bloody ******** group out there?
1. Extremely religious people who stand in the way of medical advancement (embryo research, stam cell therapy, people refusing medical care for children and choose to pray instead etc.)
2. The antivax Facebook generation which appearently read somewhere that vaccins cause autism.
3 Flat earthers and other dumb conspiracy theorists which have severe thrust issues or lack the ability to think in general, they feel instead and try to explain the world of science with feelings instead of evidence and facts.

If I offended you I am sorry, but nevertheless I think you are still an *****.

These religious extremists and anti-science nutjobs always rant about how triggered we get. Fuck their emotions and fuck them too. Talk shit and get shit in return. Either they accept that or they quit brainwashing children.



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pleaserecycle said:

There's a surprising amount of depth to flat earth models that describes most of those situations, but I haven't heard a reasonable explanation for satellites.  They're typically written off as a large-scale deception created by the government.


FE believe those are weather balloons. if you do some research then you will find that there are thousands and thousands floating around for some fucked up reason.. theres also wheater balloons that carry satellites (https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/launch.jpeg)

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SpokenTruth said:
pleaserecycle said:

Universal acceleration is a concept in flat earth models that states that the flat earth is accelerating at 9.8 m/s^2.  It attempts to replace our concept of gravity.  In our framework of physics, your explanation is correct and we can measure the difference with a good enough scale.  I don't know how the flat earth model reconciles that with their universal acceleration though.  They conveniently avoid it.  

Wouldn't that mean Earth will eventually reach the speed of light?  And if so, what is our current speed in relation to the non-moving space outside?

They use a claim from special relativity that the speed of an object can only come close to the speed of light.  The idea is that an object with mass will require increasing energy to maintain acceleration and infinite energy to reach the speed of light.  This means that the universal acceleration must be creating more energy every second which is a clear violation of the conservation of energy.  I don't think they acknowledge that though.

kljesta64 said:
pleaserecycle said:

There's a surprising amount of depth to flat earth models that describes most of those situations, but I haven't heard a reasonable explanation for satellites.  They're typically written off as a large-scale deception created by the government.


FE believe those are weather balloons. if you do some research then you will find that there are thousands and thousands floating around for some fucked up reason.. theres also wheater balloons that carry satellites (https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/launch.jpeg)

That's a lot of balloons.  



SpokenTruth said:
pleaserecycle said:

They use a claim from special relativity that the speed of an object can only come close to the speed of light.  The idea is that an object with mass will require increasing energy to maintain acceleration and infinite energy to reach the speed of light.  This means that the universal acceleration must be creating more energy every second which is a clear violation of the conservation of energy.  I don't think they acknowledge that though.

Do they have an explanation for why the "falt" Earth is accelerating like that or what force is causing it?

Dark energy, just like the standard model.  



What's actually more strange about the people who believe these kind of theories, is that they never do any real research on it. Looking at NASA picture online and claiming all are fake by using photoshop filters, throwing out all the laws of physics and making up some abracadabra thoeries about how stuff works on a flat earth is not doing REAL PHYSICAL research.

The people who believed that the earth (and all other planets, moons, stars) was a sphere went out there and got real proof of it. The built tools for measuring stuff, made planes, satelites and rockets to physically go up there to see how it looks. So the gathered real proof of what they thought to be true. Of course anybody is entitled to doubt given result and conclusion (beind doubtfull is a good thing). But if you are convinced something is wrong, then why not go out there to proof your point.

It seems there are more than enough people out there that beliefe we live on a floating pizza, so why don't the join forces and proof all of us wrong. Hire a freaking rocket or plane that goes high enough to show us all that it's flat. Make some nice pictures of the edges of the earth and sacrife one lucky person to go over the edge so we can see how he falls off and dissapears into nothingness.



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Diablos1979 said:
What's actually more strange about the people who believe these kind of theories, is that they never do any real research on it. Looking at NASA picture online and claiming all are fake by using photoshop filters, throwing out all the laws of physics and making up some abracadabra thoeries about how stuff works on a flat earth is not doing REAL PHYSICAL research.

The people who believed that the earth (and all other planets, moons, stars) was a sphere went out there and got real proof of it. The built tools for measuring stuff, made planes, satelites and rockets to physically go up there to see how it looks. So the gathered real proof of what they thought to be true. Of course anybody is entitled to doubt given result and conclusion (beind doubtfull is a good thing). But if you are convinced something is wrong, then why not go out there to proof your point.

It seems there are more than enough people out there that beliefe we live on a floating pizza, so why don't the join forces and proof all of us wrong. Hire a freaking rocket or plane that goes high enough to show us all that it's flat. Make some nice pictures of the edges of the earth and sacrife one lucky person to go over the edge so we can see how he falls off and dissapears into nothingness.

If only they were theories...